From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Glenn Morris Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#16407: Info-directory-list should always put this Emacs's info direc first Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 16:03:22 -0500 Message-ID: References: <838uuocnn9.fsf@gnu.org> <4s4n5cl20f.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <8338kwckqh.fsf@gnu.org> <838uunbmm2.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1389387850 2354 80.91.229.3 (10 Jan 2014 21:04:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 21:04:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 16407@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 10 22:04:15 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W1jFR-0004GZ-FZ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 22:04:09 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59057 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W1jFR-0005Pu-3i for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 16:04:09 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43968) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W1jFM-0005Of-9w for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 16:04:05 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W1jFK-0003dS-4g for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 16:04:04 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:59825) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W1jFK-0003dC-0j for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 16:04:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W1jFJ-0006WL-Ln for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 16:04:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 21:04:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16407 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 16407-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B16407.138938780624997 (code B ref 16407); Fri, 10 Jan 2014 21:04:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 16407) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jan 2014 21:03:26 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45611 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W1jEj-0006V6-4w for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 16:03:25 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:47392) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W1jEh-0006Uz-Be for 16407@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 16:03:23 -0500 Original-Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W1jEg-0005h7-Jq; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 16:03:22 -0500 X-Spook: virus Centro industrial intelligence domestic disruption X-Ran: *?%B\Mi":-!ud#)B|`3u*fD4m.KTaTG|WFaZ`^+b3ftmpB:\}\@KZ&{]Xl^%}gg*HG}h{= X-Hue: cyan X-Attribution: GM In-Reply-To: <838uunbmm2.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 10 Jan 2014 22:36:21 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:83253 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii wrote: > I suggest to look at a typical Debian system with several Emacs > versions installed, and see what kind of arrangement they use. At the > time, this was one of the reasons for the complexity. Maybe it no > longer exists, I don't know. They install the info pages into /usr/share/info/emacs-N (sensible). And then they patch info.el so that it finds those first: http://patch-tracker.debian.org/patch/series/view/emacs24/24.3+1-2/0001-Prefer-usr-share-info-emacs-24-over-usr-share-info.patch So whatever info.el thought it was doing to suit Debian, it wasn't enough anyway. They should not have to have such a patch, it should work out of the box. > In any case, the problem with being able to control where Emacs looks > for the misc manuals still exists, for those Emacs packages that are > developed and distributed separately. I disagree that this is an issue. 1) No problem at all with package.el, before or after any change to info.el. 2) I have no data, but doubt this was a problem people were solving via INFOPATH anyway. 3) To use a newer version of a built-in package, you have to customize load-path. I maintain that it's fine to expect people to have to customize Info-directory-list similarly. (Perhaps this part of info.el should be preloaded to make this easier.)