From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#18829: 25.0.50; (emacs) manual: relation between `package-initialize' and `require' & `load-path' Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 08:25:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1414250911 23432 80.91.229.3 (25 Oct 2014 15:28:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 15:28:31 +0000 (UTC) To: 18829@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 25 17:28:24 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xi3GR-000131-Uu for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 17:28:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53787 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xi3GR-0002Po-JG for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 11:28:23 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55089) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xi3GF-0002Pa-LZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 11:28:20 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xi3G7-0007Ts-3h for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 11:28:11 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:43302) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xi3G6-0007Tk-WC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 11:28:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Xi3G6-0002q1-B8 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 11:28:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 15:28:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 18829 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.141425084410856 (code B ref -1); Sat, 25 Oct 2014 15:28:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Oct 2014 15:27:24 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35400 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Xi3FU-0002p2-4r for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 11:27:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:53088) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Xi3FR-0002oo-Sg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 11:27:22 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xi3FD-0006vV-Kh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 11:27:16 -0400 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:41757) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xi3FD-0006vQ-IZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 11:27:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54750) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xi3F5-0001uk-T1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 11:27:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xi3Ey-0006tD-0Y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 11:26:59 -0400 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:18355) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xi3Ex-0006r5-Qz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 11:26:51 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s9PFQ6OJ025159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 15:26:07 GMT Original-Received: from aserz7022.oracle.com (aserz7022.oracle.com [141.146.126.231]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s9PFQ5E4026028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 15:26:05 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0011.oracle.com (abhmp0011.oracle.com [141.146.116.17]) by aserz7022.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s9PFPjFN027469 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 15:25:45 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8.2 (807160) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:95073 There is apparently a fair amount of confusion, especially by new users, ab= out the relation between `require' and `load-path', on the one hand, and `package-initialize', on the other. =20 The doc for these is not together (which is normal), and it might help to (a) provide cross references and (b) explicitly say that if you use `package-initialize' then you do (should) not need to explicitly adjust `load-path' and `require' the relevant code. Here is one example of such a question and response explaining this: http://emacs.stackexchange.com/a/2599/105 In GNU Emacs 25.0.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2014-10-20 on LEG570 Bzr revision: 118168 rgm@gnu.org-20141020195941-icp42t8ttcnud09g Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --enable-checking=3Dyes,glyphs CPPFLAGS=3D-DGLYPH_DEBUG=3D1'