From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sebastian Urban Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#43323: Rename cua-mode to something better? Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 17:49:44 +0200 Message-ID: References: <0be70724-b25f-1e26-4f1b-88bded3e5fdd@gmail.com> <83tuw3ecwh.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="10336"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.12.0 To: 43323@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 13 17:50:10 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kHUGX-0002ZC-UU for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 17:50:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47720 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kHUGW-0002k5-UR for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 11:50:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51770) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kHUGQ-0002js-Ma for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 11:50:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:39835) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kHUGQ-00083w-DM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 11:50:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kHUGQ-0001ut-AF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 11:50:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Sebastian Urban Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 15:50:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43323 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.16000122017356 (code B ref -1); Sun, 13 Sep 2020 15:50:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Sep 2020 15:50:01 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51381 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kHUGO-0001ua-VU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 11:50:01 -0400 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:42384) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kHUGJ-0001uD-EB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 11:49:58 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51768) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kHUGJ-0002jh-5M for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 11:49:55 -0400 Original-Received: from static.214.254.202.116.clients.your-server.de ([116.202.254.214]:56558 helo=ciao.gmane.io) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kHUGH-00083Z-SZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 11:49:54 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kHUGD-0002BA-Db for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 17:49:49 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-GB Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/13 09:46:03 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: 5 X-Spam_score: 0.5 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (0.5 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD=1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.248, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:187969 Archived-At: > In my opinion, these menu entry name & manual changes are unnecessary. So, after reading "Gather a list of confusions beginner tend to have" thread in emacs-devel, especially (part of) message by Tomas: Witness: CUA. Most people think these days "CUA" means: "Copy" [1] is bound to "C-c", "Cut" [2] is bound to "C-x" and "Paste" [3] to "C-v". But according to IBM's "Common User Architecture" (aka "CUA" [4]), it's "C-Insert", "S-Del", and "S-Ins" respectively. But Apple's [5] infantilised version ("C-x" is the "scissors", etc.) somehow snuck in. I guess I was too optimistic about CUA "standard", and proposal to rename cua-mode to something else, as well as other related changes, are actually good. S. U.