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Mon, 19 Apr 2021 05:40:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87lf9eo3mq.fsf@gnus.org> Content-Language: en-US X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:204436 Archived-At: On 19.04.2021 15:33, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Stefan Kangas writes: > >> No, only the foreground of the mode-line. > > I haven't seen this in action, but that sounds like a sensible variation > on visible-bell -- and should work well on most systems. While I like to have alternatives, and the ideas are good, the color (non-monochrome) flashes are both more noticeable than flashing top and bottom lines of the frame with inverse-video, and are likely to clash with different color themes out there. If it was possible to port the (intended) behavior of the GNU/Linux version to the other ports, that could be ideal (we don't hear many complaints about it). The popular distributions out there are made by developers using macOS. You say the notification is different there (I haven't seen it). Perhaps it's indeed too much.