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Fri, 14 Apr 2023 12:12:40 -0400 (EDT) Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:259936 Archived-At: On 14/04/2023 18:34, João Távora wrote: > On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 2:52 PM Robert Pluim wrote: > >> I have no objection to catering to people who have already asked for >> the installation of a package that is now :core. But one that wasnʼt >> installed explicitly (ie itʼs only there because Emacs now ships it) >> shouldnʼt be upgraded. > I think I don't fully understand. > > Maybe you can answer this: if a user is setting up Emacs 28 in company > laptop machines regularly and does M-x package-install RET eglot RET there, > or has a script with (package-install 'eglot), should or shouldn't this > user, in your opinion, be allowed to do exactly the same, with the same > predictable results (in this case getting the latest Eglot), when she starts > doing the same in Emacs 29, which now contains Eglot as a built-in? I think Robert asked whether 'M-x package-menu-mark-upgrades' would mark Eglot for upgrade even if the user never marked it for upgrade explicitly before (e.g. with 'M-x package-install').