From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#16114: 24.3.50; wishlist (enhancement request): easier way for users to customize mode lines Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 09:47:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: References: <0bfef262-9c3d-4538-a75f-eba7df4b29a5@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1386784099 21308 80.91.229.3 (11 Dec 2013 17:48:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 17:48:19 +0000 (UTC) To: 16114@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 11 18:48:24 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VqntX-0002iE-JO for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2013 18:48:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58832 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VqntX-0004WC-4k for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2013 12:48:23 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45378) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VqntL-0004Vo-JQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2013 12:48:20 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VqntD-0003X8-0Q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2013 12:48:11 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:58391) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VqntC-0003X4-Sg for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2013 12:48:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VqntC-0005qQ-8a for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2013 12:48:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 17:48:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16114 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 16114-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B16114.138678402822403 (code B ref 16114); Wed, 11 Dec 2013 17:48:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 16114) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Dec 2013 17:47:08 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44177 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VqnsJ-0005pH-JB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2013 12:47:07 -0500 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:32187) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VqnsG-0005p7-KX for 16114@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2013 12:47:05 -0500 Original-Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id rBBHl2YH012396 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Dec 2013 17:47:03 GMT Original-Received: from aserz7022.oracle.com (aserz7022.oracle.com [141.146.126.231]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rBBHl1OY012387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 11 Dec 2013 17:47:02 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0014.oracle.com (abhmp0014.oracle.com [141.146.116.20]) by aserz7022.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rBBHl1us012378; Wed, 11 Dec 2013 17:47:01 GMT In-Reply-To: <0bfef262-9c3d-4538-a75f-eba7df4b29a5@default> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:81773 Archived-At: This bug was merged with bug #4833. I disagree with the formulation of bug #4833, or at least its characterizat= ion as having to do with customization. Whether or not the mode line is sufficiently ergonomic is different question from whether it is easy enough for users to modify. There is no need to make this into an all-inclusive refashion-the-universe request. Plus, the difficulty of customization is tacked onto the end of bug #4833, seemingly as an afterthought ("What's more..."). The bulk of that bug report is about the makeup of the mode line not being sufficiently ergonomic. Leave it at that; split these two enhancement requests: one for easier customizing, another for better ergonomics. If they both get worked on (together or in either order) then any interplay between them can be taken into account at that time. Bug #16114 should be limited to trying to make it easier for users to modify mode lines. Another enhancement request (e.g. #4833) can address possible ergonomic improvements. No specific ergonomic improvements were proposed in bug #4833 anyway (just complaints about length and relative positions, AFAICT, which is OK), so that wish is fairly unspecified. Glomming even more onto the same enhancement request is silly, and it just makes it all the more likely that nothing will ever be done to improve things (in regard to either customization or ergonomics). Easier customization is already a big enough job.