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Fri, 30 Apr 2021 15:22:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:205302 Archived-At: On 30.04.2021 10:09, Gregory Heytings wrote: > And AFAICS this is also what most popular starter kits do. So at least > to me it's not clear whether it is widely used. better-defaults is an old project which has been there for at least a decade in some form (and has a fair amount of stars on its archived repository on github: https://github.com/technomancy/better-defaults). It's the original "emacs starter kit". So yes, it must be widely used. >> But it would be interesting to try some icon-based animation in the >> echo area, like the red circle on VSCode's pic. >> > > You mean, displaying such a red circle before the error message in the > echo area?  Not sure that would be visible enough. Something like that, with a blinking or some brief "busy" animation. A moving reddish shape should bring enough attention, but of course different users have different levels of sensitivity (as the discussion in bug#47574 has shown). Only a practical experiment can tell.