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Fri, 23 Feb 2018 20:15:30 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0009.oracle.com (abhmp0009.oracle.com [141.146.116.15]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w1NKFT1C025293; Fri, 23 Feb 2018 20:15:29 GMT In-Reply-To: <87bmgfv62r.fsf@mbork.pl> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4654.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=8813 signatures=668678 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=808 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1711220000 definitions=main-1802230246 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:143629 Archived-At: > > I would not make the point that this adds too many chars > > for `ucs-names' or for `C-x 8 RET'. > > > > I would make the point that we should not be inventing > > character names and then associating such inventions with > > what has heretofore been a pretty faithful reflection of > > the Unicode standard. >=20 > How about this one? >=20 > =EF=B8=98 > PRESENTATION FORM FOR VERTICAL RIGHT WHITE LENTICULAR BRAKCET > ^^ > And what about this one? Press C-x 8 RET MATHEMATICAL ITALIC SMALL TAB > and try to answer the puzzle: where has the "MATHEMATICAL ITALIC SMALL H" > gone? >=20 > (The answer, rot'd-13 so that I don't spoil it for Unicode wannabe > detectives;-): CYNAPX PBAFGNAG, U+210E.) >=20 > IOW, I would argue that _some_ kind of system to help the user > overcome the inherent Unicode problems might be a good idea. Agreed: some help would help. ;-) But not at the cost of changing `ucs-names'. You snipped most of my post, including the part that said that although we should leave the set of Unicode names as Unicode defines them, so that `ucs-names' remains faithful to the standard, we can certainly add Emacs constructs (e.g. commands, completion functions, whatever), to help users use alternate names of our own invention, including spelling corrections. The fault is not with `ucs-names'. The fault, if there be any, is with the ways we currently _make use of it_ for users. We could offer additional or alternative ways for users to make use of it. We could, for example, change `insert-char' to respect a user option that expresses just how much such help to provide, e.g., the degree of spelling help, correction, abbreviation, or whatever. If we do that then we should at least allow one of the option values to mean that no such help is to be offered, in which case `insert-char' would offer only the official names. There are other uses of `ucs-names', beyond `insert-char', at least in 3rd-party libraries. We should definitely not assume that all uses of `ucs-names' should benefit or be troubled by any Emacs-specific "improvements" we might want to offer for the available char names.