From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#24594: 24.5; `variable-pitch-mode': accept FACE arg instead of hardcoding the face Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 07:51:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: References: << >> <<<587cb6c7-44f8-4546-91ee-264416c965d6@default>>> <<<83oa31q5mr.fsf@gnu.org>>> <<3a104ad1-ccf9-4b54-9773-e939d74aaac1@default>> <<83d1jhplmf.fsf@gnu.org>> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1475506351 27282 195.159.176.226 (3 Oct 2016 14:52:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 14:52:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 24594@debbugs.gnu.org, clement.pit@gmail.com To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 03 16:52:27 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1br4bJ-0005Ow-Dz for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2016 16:52:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37516 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1br4bH-0006vK-Pw for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2016 10:52:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46307) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1br4bA-0006v9-L6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2016 10:52:09 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1br4b3-0004wl-U9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2016 10:52:07 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:36924) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1br4b3-0004wd-R6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2016 10:52:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1br4b3-0008On-L5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2016 10:52:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2016 14:52:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 24594 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 24594-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B24594.147550630332248 (code B ref 24594); Mon, 03 Oct 2016 14:52:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 24594) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Oct 2016 14:51:43 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43114 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1br4al-0008O4-G7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2016 10:51:43 -0400 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:49092) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1br4aj-0008Nk-0c for 24594@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2016 10:51:41 -0400 Original-Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u93EpYl7019900 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Oct 2016 14:51:35 GMT Original-Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u93EpXWj001807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Oct 2016 14:51:34 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0011.oracle.com (abhmp0011.oracle.com [141.146.116.17]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u93EpVJv012287; Mon, 3 Oct 2016 14:51:31 GMT In-Reply-To: <<83d1jhplmf.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:123957 Archived-At: > > > The variable-pitch face is a very general face: it stands for a face > > > using any variable-pitch font, of which there are gazillions. > > > > A single face. >=20 > Yes, a mode that was made for using a single face. There's nothing > wrong about that. Your statement was not about the mode, and neither was my reply to it. It was about your claim that the face "stands for a face using any variable-pitch font...". How a face stands for a face, I don't know. But there is nothing more general about this face than any other face. It, like others, is entirely customizable. Nor is it more restrictive than other faces. As I mentioned, you can easily customize it to NOT be variable-pitch. > > The face is hard-coded in the command. You cannot use the command > > with a different face. Being able to customize a face is something > > else altogether. >=20 > Yes, I understood that the first time. Reiterating this doesn't help > in any way. You mentioned the ability to customize the face as somehow obviating the command being restrictive (hardcoded to one particular face). I replied that customizing the face is something else altogether - irrelevant here. > > And no, there is nothing special about face `variable-pitch'. In > > particular, there is nothing that prevents you from customizing it > > to a fixed-pitch face. >=20 > Of course. But why would one want to do that? It's like customizing > a color named "black" to have the same appearance as "white". Who said that one should want to do that? Naming a face after any of its default attributes (e.g. `red-foreground') is misguided. But that's not the point here. This was in reply to your statement that face `variable-pitch' "stands for a face using any variable-pitch font." It doesn't stand for any particular set of faces, at least not according to the code. It is just a face like another - entirely customizable. It might be interesting to have a face whose customization is limited to variable-pitch fonts. But (so far anyway) `variable-pitch' is not that face. > Anyway, looks like one more of those arguments that go nowhere, so I'm > out. Likewise. You brought in extraneous stuff, to which I replied, hoping it might help. I should know better by now, I guess.