From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Peter Flynn Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#46607: 25.2; Emacs hangs with Error running timer 'blink-cursor-start' Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 21:38:09 +0000 Organization: Silmaril Consultants Message-ID: References: <87v9apwq4o.fsf@gnus.org> <64r1ldc72x.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <5b1f789a-a7b3-d7d9-47d0-8e378397bc98@silmaril.ie> <4qy2fl6ji3.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <448c4862-b291-a4af-e294-78a33fdfdbe8@silmaril.ie> <701rdcyq2y.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="33132"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 Cc: 46607@debbugs.gnu.org, Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Glenn Morris Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 19 22:39:12 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lDDUV-0008V2-BQ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 22:39:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51174 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lDDUU-0003r4-7Z for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 16:39:10 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38794) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lDDUM-0003pa-Bi for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 16:39:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:38996) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lDDUM-0004AC-30 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 16:39:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lDDUM-0007LI-0g for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 16:39:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Peter Flynn Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 21:39:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 46607 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo Original-Received: via spool by 46607-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B46607.161377070128178 (code B ref 46607); Fri, 19 Feb 2021 21:39:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 46607) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Feb 2021 21:38:21 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50542 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lDDTg-0007KP-Rq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 16:38:21 -0500 Original-Received: from orion.myhost.ie ([217.115.118.6]:57265) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lDDTb-0007K9-QG for 46607@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 16:38:19 -0500 Original-Received: from [192.168.0.180] (unknown [79.97.20.231]) (Authenticated sender: peter@silmaril.ie) by orion.myhost.ie (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 28C9E865D; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 21:38:10 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <701rdcyq2y.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Content-Language: en-US X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:200384 Archived-At: On 19/02/2021 16:33, Glenn Morris wrote:> > You've said that this does not happen with -Q; therefore the problem > is in your user or site customizations. > > You've said that it does happen with -q; therefore the problem is not > in your user customization. > > Therefore the problem is in your site customization. Ie it should not > occur with: emacs --no-site-file --no-site-lisp That appears to be correct. Thank you for navigating this. > Ie, you need to look for the cause in /etc/emacs/site-start.d and > other such places (which seems to include, from > --enable-locallisppath > /etc/emacs25:/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/25.2/site-lisp: > /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/25.2/site-lisp: > /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp) /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp, which contains my own collection of elisp packages, was moved elsewhere during tests on my own machine, and of course was not in existence on any of the test installations from USB. But yes, somewhere in there — except the rest of the directories all appear to have been created by the system as a result of installing emacs. > This would explain why other Mint users don't see your problem, eg > https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?p=1599898#p1599898 I think it may be specific to the 19.0 I am running. > (Are you sure the "C-h f time-add" information came from an Emacs > session where the error occurs?) Yes, this was done on the same unmodified raw system. Anyone can reproduce this by running the OS from live USB, opening a terminal, and doing a sudo apt update; sudo apt install emacs However, today's experiment is very revealing. Bug absent: current releases of Ubuntu, Fedora, and Mint (20.1) Bug present: current releases of Bodhi and Zorin, and my installed Mint 19 and 20 I'm guessing that not all distros compile their own binaries, even if they wrap up their own debs. I'm about to upgrade all machines anyway. In view of your excellent and useful analysis I think this bug 46607 should be marked WONTFIX. Thank you all very much. Peter