From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#16516: 24.3.50; NEWS item about `apropos-*-face' user options and new faces Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 19:06:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1390360044 26561 80.91.229.3 (22 Jan 2014 03:07:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 03:07:24 +0000 (UTC) To: 16516@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 22 04:07:30 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W5oA4-0001Av-MX for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2014 04:07:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33366 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W5oA4-0002gE-71 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2014 22:07:28 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43218) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W5o9r-0002fz-01 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2014 22:07:25 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W5o9e-0001V5-Od for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2014 22:07:14 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:46054) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W5o9e-0001V1-L2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2014 22:07:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W5o9e-0001Po-FZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2014 22:07:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 03:07:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 16516 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.13903600055409 (code B ref -1); Wed, 22 Jan 2014 03:07:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Jan 2014 03:06:45 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60073 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W5o9M-0001PB-KB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2014 22:06:45 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:41447) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W5o9K-0001P3-ID for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2014 22:06:43 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W5o9A-0001Ss-2D for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2014 22:06:42 -0500 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:57799) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W5o99-0001Sh-VC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2014 22:06:31 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43124) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W5o91-0002du-1b for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2014 22:06:31 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W5o8s-0001Py-EQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2014 22:06:22 -0500 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:44011) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W5o8s-0001Ps-7Q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2014 22:06:14 -0500 Original-Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s0M36Ah9002583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2014 03:06:10 GMT Original-Received: from aserz7022.oracle.com (aserz7022.oracle.com [141.146.126.231]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.5+Sun/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s0M369qQ017272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2014 03:06:09 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0013.oracle.com (abhmp0013.oracle.com [141.146.116.19]) by aserz7022.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s0M369mF010217 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2014 03:06:09 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:83866 Archived-At: 1. This is the inadequate NEWS item: ** Apropos *** The faces used by Apropos are now directly customizable. These faces are named `apropos-symbol', `apropos-keybinding', and so on; see the `apropos' Custom group for details. *** The old options whose values specified faces to use have been removed (i.e. `apropos-symbol-face', `apropos-keybinding-face', etc.). Why inadequate? Because it does not list the options, so users can check their current customizations of those options and transfer them to the new faces (something that Emacs could have done for them, BTW). It is not enough to say "etc." and "and so on." List the options. By my checking, I find these: apropos-keybinding-face, apropos-label-face, apropos-match-face, apropos-property-face, apropos-symbol-face. Is it so hard to find and state the list, to help users? You go to great lengths to help users locate the new faces (telling them to use `M-x customize-group apropos'. But from a user point of view what's first needed is the list of options that the new faces replace. This is what a NEWS item about replacement needs to inform users of: A has been replaced by B. Why? So users can replace A with B in their own code, custom files, etc. 2. Plus, this removal and replacement is apparently not the case for all `apropos-*-face' options - see option `apropos-match-face'. Why this inconsistency? Point it out in NEWS, at least, if it really has a good reason for continuing. As it stands now, the NEWS text is incorrect, claiming the removal of all such face options. In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2014-01-17 on ODIEONE Bzr revision: 116059 michael.albinus@gmx.de-20140117182409-gz695p2c951idlee Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --prefix=3D/c/Devel/emacs/binary --enable-checking=3Dyes,glyphs 'CFLAGS=3D-O0 -g3' LDFLAGS=3D-Lc:/Devel/emacs/lib CPPFLAGS=3D-Ic:/Devel/emacs/include'