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Fri, 11 Oct 2019 15:24:17 +0000 Original-Received: from pps.filterd (userp3030.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp3030.oracle.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id x9BFOEGH071554; Fri, 11 Oct 2019 15:24:17 GMT Original-Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by userp3030.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2vjryccne3-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 11 Oct 2019 15:24:15 +0000 Original-Received: from abhmp0011.oracle.com (abhmp0011.oracle.com [141.146.116.17]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id x9BFNSmH022872; Fri, 11 Oct 2019 15:23:28 GMT In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4900.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9406 signatures=668684 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1908290000 definitions=main-1910110143 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9406 signatures=668684 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1908290000 definitions=main-1910110143 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:168994 Archived-At: > I went with `describe-widget' for the name of the command, but have no pr= eference over the name, so if someone suggests something better, I'm OK wit= h it. Coming late to this party. Apologies if this question/comment is irrelevant or has already been addressed. IIUC, `C-h k' would still not offer any help for a button click. If I misunderstand about that please let me know, and skip the rest of this message. --- It may be fine/appropriate to _also_ have a separate help command for this (button actions), e.g., so you can bind it to a separate key. But can/should we not try to also integrate this help with `C-h k'?=20 `C-h k' is for mouse-button actions as well as keyboard keys. From a user point of view I'd expect `C-h k' to tell me about any mouse or keyboard action I use. Not having `C-h k' help with button actions has long been a noticeable lacuna. We already let `C-h k' tell you about both down and up events for a click. Why should a user not expect that s?he can follow `C-h k' with a click on a button and get the expected help about what that button does when you click it?