From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: uzibalqa via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#64692: Better descriptions of Cons Cells and Dotted Notation with real-life syntax Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2023 17:32:59 +0000 Message-ID: References: <87jzux5x2g.fsf@yahoo.com> Reply-To: uzibalqa Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="9636"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Po Lu , "64692-done@debbugs.gnu.org" <64692-done@debbugs.gnu.org> To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 18 19:34:14 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qLoaT-0002Dw-JR for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2023 19:34:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qLoaN-0003It-Ab; Tue, 18 Jul 2023 13:34:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qLoaJ-0003Il-2K for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2023 13:34:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qLoaI-0001Tz-AL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2023 13:34:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qLoaI-0005VY-3O for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2023 13:34:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: uzibalqa Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2023 17:34:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 64692 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 64692-done@debbugs.gnu.org id=D64692.168970159021102 (code D ref 64692); Tue, 18 Jul 2023 17:34:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 64692-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jul 2023 17:33:10 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54188 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qLoZS-0005UI-Go for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2023 13:33:10 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-4027.protonmail.ch ([185.70.40.27]:45969) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qLoZP-0005TQ-8y for 64692-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2023 13:33:09 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=proton.me; s=2kigtjki3jdknlhryyihs2tuhe.protonmail; t=1689701580; x=1689960780; bh=OP3YJzuV7DDCDG/fOwq6Tn23zoeo1VOYae+LGLrIJRw=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=HTwXoc/dQUkg0bAdoMQi9x2ina1XeXb+2uXCqjkBwnkU3UFTu5PDx0n7TrG3jh0M8 5XnCEfy6P9Wmy9iMgih6s4n2Jt2be2/4HJ2zYdnfj2efESwzoq92S5b7ikzx1S0761 Oq1JFdXVvU+Elq6SMkczpXD28A6/wpTs9Ie3RypliVLFcJgvA0g49UEhL3IubBvy1/ qEpVq3AocIe3xpPVVZdG08IK94eAKoLYoVi+fMSx5r/e0nol9OqnCoInsY2ZHma9Q7 uAkopbvsd4yg52dgEklXQYs734dra2mzzwcwT3e+2I+IwN04qr7ZsYot7cLSfRIR7b 5H8oGoA4/H99Q== In-Reply-To: Feedback-ID: 52887082:user:proton X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:265486 Archived-At: ------- Original Message ------- On Wednesday, July 19th, 2023 at 5:20 AM, Drew Adams wrote: > > The node containing your example is located in the Emacs Lisp reference > > manual, which contains two adequate descriptions of both dotted lists > > and dotted pair notation. >=20 >=20 > Yes, it does. > But a reader of this menu-syntax node > won't have a clue about that. Please > provide a cross-reference to it. >=20 > Defining menus is one of the first > places a new Elisp user will run into > dot-notation syntax. >=20 > Another is the complex syntax for > font-lock. There too a reader will > need to understand dot notation to > make sense of the syntax spec. >=20 > > I see no problem here; closing. >=20 > That's too bad. It is too bad for us. With people who should know better barking orders from their lofty place that everything is fine. Same as the socialist=20 politburo in the late 80's. A system fucked up beyond all recognition.