From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: uzibalqa via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#58459: Getting a fresh emacs session with no customisation Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2022 13:27:12 +0000 Message-ID: References: <3gN0Jqr94UeUj3xJtDV3zGvZVbUyjtQFAloYxrdvwN_ZHa3tEUYyFv8h3VcYYSk_gxgMaaBW94kAkaAUCgbd9QKZMkkYJBty-7XOadbzHHQ=@proton.me> <87fsfsc9af.fsf@yahoo.com> <87zgdzc3vl.fsf@yahoo.com> <87o7ufc1cr.fsf@yahoo.com> Reply-To: uzibalqa Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="16390"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Phil Sainty , 58459@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas To: Po Lu Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 13 16:16:34 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oiz0j-000467-Md for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 16:16:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45064 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oiz0i-00065P-Os for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 10:16:32 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60200) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oiyFm-0003OW-Qw for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 09:28:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:60879) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oiyFm-0004xN-HS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 09:28:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oiyFm-0004eJ-CS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 09:28:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: uzibalqa Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2022 13:28:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 58459 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug Original-Received: via spool by 58459-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B58459.166566764917826 (code B ref 58459); Thu, 13 Oct 2022 13:28:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 58459) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Oct 2022 13:27:29 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59957 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oiyFF-0004dS-5e for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 09:27:29 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-4319.protonmail.ch ([185.70.43.19]:60807) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oiyFA-0004dA-Dr for 58459@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 09:27:27 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=proton.me; s=protonmail; t=1665667636; x=1665926836; bh=2omJtA0G4wIZ68pCklwMwvPFauWzHhNr9M0F37sdtsI=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID; b=SmFdSdqnXogviiADbM0ELfQqbir3/LkCae88AiMr8wXYkJKMJklTc1mMBOrznqDpi tVEKX5Ds/3HDMRgADlFyE9MPZTVIqSuPdZRwExU40I2FL1120FTWk11LvRLxaPGFnA LxrATCSM/zVgNc7VggwC9PWsIxJe47hBuBqY27DmAdyG4YM0Xfh7J23TLuBEgFfgNA DxQbzZRkHsnZ34WduF4iS5mWjcjrbPyFwwH7/Wq+cXenSxKMPM5xZ/sUs0/1hnWXOZ sX0QjdsDrIr80kfB9Ei5nezohrtnE3EQGTuzVBhagnRoiN+JaE6qKSxhR7w9P+0DC3 B3Zfa5t+R/mlg== In-Reply-To: <87o7ufc1cr.fsf@yahoo.com> Feedback-ID: 52887082:user:proton X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:245311 Archived-At: ------- Original Message ------- On Thursday, October 13th, 2022 at 1:14 PM, Po Lu wrot= e: > uzibalqa uzibalqa@proton.me writes: >=20 > > But things are working the other way round. Things get messed up, then = have > > to figure out what produced it, thing gets too complicated beyond what = I consciously > > did, then emacs uses them. Does a user have control this way? Of course= not. >=20 >=20 > You have control: inhibit-x-resources. Sure, but do you realise how long it took to identify the culprit after the= =20 enforced settings did not even allow me to see the mode-line because of terrible contrast. Make things easy for users, rather than even more diffi= cult. Who understands how Xresources works when a user does not even have a user-= level=20 configuration dotfile in "~/.Xresources".=20 =20 > > My challenge in why emacs is taking authority from x-resources. Rather = than > > firing vanilla emacs with some properly defined face with good accessib= ility. >=20 >=20 > [...] >=20 > > If emacs maintainers are actually so smart, how long is it going to tak= e exactly > > for vanilla emacs to start using some well defined accessibility metric= s such > > as modus-themes, so that the maximum number of users can comfortably us= e it. >=20 >=20 > Take the complaint to the Trisquel or MATE developers. The complaint is about the problems associated from taking instructions fro= m x-resources. The problem is simply shifted around to the Trisquel or MATE developers, ra= ther than continuing to rely on a likely broken x-resource database.