bug#18167: 24.4.50; Horizontal scroll bar

bug#18167: 24.4.50; Horizontal scroll bar

[Drew Adams]

> > Why not turn it off by default, and let users opt *in* for this
> > new feature if and when they want it?
> 
> He already said he will, soon.

Great. Thx.

bug#18167: 24.4.50; Horizontal scroll bar

[john ffitch]

Is there a way to either get rid of them or at least hide them when
the whole data is within the widow width?  I am finding it visually
dominant and takes screen space.




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==John ffitch

bug#18167: 24.4.50; Horizontal scroll bar

[martin rudalics]

 > Is there a way to either get rid of them or at least hide them when
 > the whole data is within the widow width?  I am finding it visually
 > dominant and takes screen space.

Please use

(when (fboundp 'horizontal-scroll-bar-mode)
   (horizontal-scroll-bar-mode -1))

in your .emacs.

martin

bug#18167: 24.4.50; Horizontal scroll bar

[Drew Adams]

>  > Is there a way to either get rid of them or at least hide them when
>  > the whole data is within the widow width?  I am finding it visually
>  > dominant and takes screen space.
> 
> (when (fboundp 'horizontal-scroll-bar-mode)
>    (horizontal-scroll-bar-mode -1))

Why not turn it off by default, and let users opt *in* for this
new feature if and when they want it?

I understand that a counter argument is that Emacs newbies will
expect a horizontal scroll bar.  But on that score they will
also expect that it only be present when it is actually useful
(e.g. when the text is wider than the window).

(Disclosure: I have not yet seen the new scroll bar.  I do not
have access to an MS Windows binary more recent than 6/28.)

bug#18167: 24.4.50; Horizontal scroll bar

[Eli Zaretskii]

> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 07:07:54 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
> 
> >  > Is there a way to either get rid of them or at least hide them when
> >  > the whole data is within the widow width?  I am finding it visually
> >  > dominant and takes screen space.
> > 
> > (when (fboundp 'horizontal-scroll-bar-mode)
> >    (horizontal-scroll-bar-mode -1))
> 
> Why not turn it off by default, and let users opt *in* for this
> new feature if and when they want it?

He already said he will, soon.