From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21746: 24.5; purpose of dired-keep-marker-copy? Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 01:34:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: References: <> <<83611wy995.fsf@gnu.org>> <> <<8337x0y8j8.fsf@gnu.org>> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1445675726 30571 80.91.229.3 (24 Oct 2015 08:35:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 08:35:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: winkler@gnu.org, 21746@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 24 10:35:12 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpuIA-0005g3-7c for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 10:35:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43477 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpuI9-00041V-A5 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 04:35:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46903) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpuI6-00040G-0W for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 04:35:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpuI1-0000JJ-Uo for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 04:35:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:44802) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpuI1-0000JA-SN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 04:35:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpuI1-00079D-N6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 04:35:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 08:35:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21746 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 21746-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21746.144567566527424 (code B ref 21746); Sat, 24 Oct 2015 08:35:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 21746) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Oct 2015 08:34:25 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35510 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpuHQ-00078G-Js for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 04:34:24 -0400 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:43391) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpuH7-00077n-1T for 21746@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 04:34:23 -0400 Original-Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t9O8Y4ut017703 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Oct 2015 08:34:04 GMT Original-Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t9O8Y2vr005824 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 24 Oct 2015 08:34:03 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0005.oracle.com (abhmp0005.oracle.com [141.146.116.11]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t9O8Y2A7000748; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 08:34:02 GMT In-Reply-To: <<8337x0y8j8.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:107970 Archived-At: > > > But if none of them is preloaded, what is it that we do with dired.el > > > and don't do with the other two packages? > > > > We load dired.el when you use `C-x d' (or `C-x 4 d' etc.). > > We do not load the other two when you do that. I think we > > should. We should consider them an integral part of Dired, > > including for documentation purposes. I see no reason not > > to. >=20 > Would adding to dired.el autoload cookies for the commands and options > in the other 2 packages have the same effect, as far as > discoverability is concerned, as loading them? If not, what will be > missing? If I understand you correctly, no. The point is to make their commands and menu items apparent from the outset in Dired. IIUYC, what you describe would have Dired start without them, and only if someone used one of their commands would they be loaded. That doesn't help discovery of what they have to offer. > > I don't even see any reason for the division into 3 files > > at this point. >=20 > The 2 additional files almost double the size of the Dired-related > byte code. That's pretty significant, IMO, although not a > catastrophe. Yes. I think that people who use Dired would be willing to pay that price (if they knew about the features). And people who do not use Dired would not pay any Dired price.