From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#30530: 26.0; Emacs manual: mention (1) user-reserved keys, (2) users can bind any keys Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 13:00:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: References: <<> <83lgfi4qw2.fsf@gnu.org>> <529ae5d2-b5e8-40d1-aaa6-87a76003b8bc@default> <83h8q62sgd.fsf@gnu.org>>> <<<87zi3y13jf.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr>>> <<<83d10nyf4y.fsf@gnu.org>>> <<92c8fd97-8e96-4e2b-8706-f5ca97869912@default>> <<831sh3y51x.fsf@gnu.org>> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1519937958 17283 195.159.176.226 (1 Mar 2018 20:59:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 20:59:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 30530@debbugs.gnu.org, mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 01 21:59:13 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1erVIG-0003w8-Hv for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Thu, 1 Mar 2018 21:00:41 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0015.oracle.com (abhmp0015.oracle.com [141.146.116.21]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id w21L0dEJ015008; Thu, 1 Mar 2018 21:00:40 GMT In-Reply-To: <<831sh3y51x.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4654.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=8819 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1711220000 definitions=main-1803010256 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:143806 Archived-At: > > The Emacs doc makes clear that these keys are reserved for users. >=20 > Being reserved means that users can bind them. You keep repeating that, but it has never been in question. > > Users do not need a library to instruct them to co-opt > > the keys for its use. >=20 > No, it's not a library that "instructs" them, it's a document that > tells them they could bind these keys for their own convenience. We can perhaps agree to disagree about that, as well as perhaps about the likely result of users, particularly newbies, following that Org-doc recommendation. > > I'm surprised that you would endorse this. > > There is no need for it, and it is not helpful. >=20 > I think I'm entitled to my opinions Of course you are. No one said anything to the contrary. > even if you consider them unhelpful (unhelpful to what, > may I wonder?). Please read what I wrote. I did not say that your opinions are unhelpful. It is the practice that was the subject of bug #28263, and that you seem to endorse, that I said users do not need and is not helpful (for users, obviously). The Org doc does not need to recommend that users bind reserved user keys to Org commands, and doing so is (IMHO) unhelpful to users. Just one opinion, of course.