From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21981: request: dired: require dired-x by default Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 18:49:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: References: <5653CE3C.5000309@sneakemail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1448333426 20005 80.91.229.3 (24 Nov 2015 02:50:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 02:50:26 +0000 (UTC) To: Michael Hoffman , 21981@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 24 03:50:12 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1a13gJ-0000Nm-0V for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Nov 2015 03:50:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35726 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a13gJ-00033Q-Lb for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2015 21:50:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56618) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a13gG-00031D-L8 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2015 21:50:09 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a13gB-0001aZ-HW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2015 21:50:08 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:60409) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a13gB-0001aI-E4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2015 21:50:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1a13gA-0003kK-Vj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2015 21:50:03 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 02:50:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21981 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 21981-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21981.144833336814349 (code B ref 21981); Tue, 24 Nov 2015 02:50:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 21981) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Nov 2015 02:49:28 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50117 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1a13fc-0003jN-80 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2015 21:49:28 -0500 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:40587) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1a13fa-0003jE-6r for 21981@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2015 21:49:26 -0500 Original-Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id tAO2nObn011734 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Nov 2015 02:49:24 GMT Original-Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id tAO2nNEC018360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Nov 2015 02:49:23 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0019.oracle.com (abhmp0019.oracle.com [141.146.116.25]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id tAO2nNR7017098; Tue, 24 Nov 2015 02:49:23 GMT In-Reply-To: <5653CE3C.5000309@sneakemail.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:109166 Archived-At: Why make dired-x obsolete if you are not going to add all of its features to dired.el? That makes no sense. If you're not going to add all of the features then keep dired-x.el, for now - and until you do add all of its features. Why should you, today, decide what Dired users might want to use from dired-x.el? It's been around for decades. Are you going to guess what bits users use? And why should you? I was in favor of moving dired-x.el to dired.el until you started talking about removing features. Or rather, I was, and still am, in favor of loading dired-x.el along with dired.el. I'm also in favor of loading dired-aux.el along with the other two. Is this some kind of (misguided) optimization? What's the reason for this kind of filtering? Just leave it alone, please, if you can't stop yourselves from removing features.