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* bug#48162: 28.0.50; Resizing using set-frame-width doesn't expand mode-line
@ 2021-05-02 15:42 Pankaj Jangid
  2021-05-02 16:12 ` martin rudalics
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Pankaj Jangid @ 2021-05-02 15:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 48162


This is occurring on MacOS build. Branch: master.
Steps:
1. ./src/emacs -Q
2. M-x set-frame-width RET 160 RET

Result: Frame size is increased but mode-line still has original width.

Probably one of these commits caused the issue:
a65eb23f5cbf1ff408585574e4c95a9eebf2a9dc
6b2d017ead856c244a0b5c5a162254094877bc54


In GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-apple-darwin20.4.0, NS appkit-2022.44 Version 11.3 (Build 20E232))
 of 2021-05-02 built on mb2.local
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Regards,
Pankaj Jangid

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* bug#48162: 28.0.50; Resizing using set-frame-width doesn't expand mode-line
  2021-05-02 15:42 bug#48162: 28.0.50; Resizing using set-frame-width doesn't expand mode-line Pankaj Jangid
@ 2021-05-02 16:12 ` martin rudalics
  2021-05-02 16:45   ` Alan Third
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: martin rudalics @ 2021-05-02 16:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 48162; +Cc: pankaj

 > This is occurring on MacOS build. Branch: master.
 > Steps:
 > 1. ./src/emacs -Q
 > 2. M-x set-frame-width RET 160 RET
 >
 > Result: Frame size is increased but mode-line still has original width.

Could you please try the patch below.

Thanks, martin


diff --git a/src/nsterm.m b/src/nsterm.m
index 6e7ab1266b..b089146e64 100644
--- a/src/nsterm.m
+++ b/src/nsterm.m
@@ -7310,9 +7310,9 @@ - (void)viewDidResize:(NSNotification *)notification

    /* Don't want to do anything when the view size hasn't changed. */
    if ((oldh == newh && oldw == neww)
-      || (emacsframe->new_size_p
-          && newh == emacsframe->new_height
-          && neww == emacsframe->new_width))
+      && (!emacsframe->new_size_p
+          || (newh == emacsframe->new_height
+	      && neww == emacsframe->new_width)))
      {
        NSTRACE_MSG ("No change");
        return;





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* bug#48162: 28.0.50; Resizing using set-frame-width doesn't expand mode-line
  2021-05-02 16:12 ` martin rudalics
@ 2021-05-02 16:45   ` Alan Third
  2021-05-02 16:57     ` martin rudalics
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Alan Third @ 2021-05-02 16:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: martin rudalics; +Cc: pankaj, 48162

On Sun, May 02, 2021 at 06:12:45PM +0200, martin rudalics wrote:
> > This is occurring on MacOS build. Branch: master.
> > Steps:
> > 1. ./src/emacs -Q
> > 2. M-x set-frame-width RET 160 RET
> >
> > Result: Frame size is increased but mode-line still has original width.
> 
> Could you please try the patch below.
> 
> Thanks, martin
> 
> 
> diff --git a/src/nsterm.m b/src/nsterm.m
> index 6e7ab1266b..b089146e64 100644
> --- a/src/nsterm.m
> +++ b/src/nsterm.m
> @@ -7310,9 +7310,9 @@ - (void)viewDidResize:(NSNotification *)notification
> 
>    /* Don't want to do anything when the view size hasn't changed. */
>    if ((oldh == newh && oldw == neww)
> -      || (emacsframe->new_size_p
> -          && newh == emacsframe->new_height
> -          && neww == emacsframe->new_width))
> +      && (!emacsframe->new_size_p
> +          || (newh == emacsframe->new_height
> +	      && neww == emacsframe->new_width)))
>      {
>        NSTRACE_MSG ("No change");
>        return;

This patch reintroduces the infinite loop I was trying to avoid.

viewDidResize is called every time the view's "frame" is touched. Most
of the time this happens when nothing has changed, but calling
change_frame_size, even when nothing has changed, appears to cause the
toolbar to redraw, which causes viewDidResize to be called again, and
so on ad infinitum.

So I put in the check whether the new frame size that's reported is
actually the same as the previous frame size, and if so do nothing.
Then realised that I need to check the new_height and new_width
settings in case the change is already pending.

I'm not sure where new_size_p comes into it, perhaps we don't even
need to check it in viewDidResize, because all we care about is the
final outcome?

Maybe this really isn't the way to do it and I need to keep track of
the frame size separately, which is something I was hoping to avoid.
-- 
Alan Third





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* bug#48162: 28.0.50; Resizing using set-frame-width doesn't expand mode-line
  2021-05-02 16:45   ` Alan Third
@ 2021-05-02 16:57     ` martin rudalics
  2021-05-02 17:18       ` Alan Third
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: martin rudalics @ 2021-05-02 16:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Alan Third, 48162, pankaj

 > This patch reintroduces the infinite loop I was trying to avoid.
 >
 > viewDidResize is called every time the view's "frame" is touched. Most
 > of the time this happens when nothing has changed, but calling
 > change_frame_size, even when nothing has changed, appears to cause the
 > toolbar to redraw, which causes viewDidResize to be called again, and
 > so on ad infinitum.
 >
 > So I put in the check whether the new frame size that's reported is
 > actually the same as the previous frame size, and if so do nothing.
 > Then realised that I need to check the new_height and new_width
 > settings in case the change is already pending.
 >
 > I'm not sure where new_size_p comes into it, perhaps we don't even
 > need to check it in viewDidResize, because all we care about is the
 > final outcome?
 >
 > Maybe this really isn't the way to do it and I need to keep track of
 > the frame size separately, which is something I was hoping to avoid.

new_size_p true means that Emacs has already received a resize event for
this frame but was not yet able to process it.  So the additional

           || (newh == emacsframe->new_height
	      && neww == emacsframe->new_width)))

in that case should "do nothing" when "nothing has changed".  Where does
my reasoning go wrong?

martin





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* bug#48162: 28.0.50; Resizing using set-frame-width doesn't expand mode-line
  2021-05-02 16:57     ` martin rudalics
@ 2021-05-02 17:18       ` Alan Third
  2021-05-02 19:19         ` martin rudalics
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Alan Third @ 2021-05-02 17:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: martin rudalics; +Cc: pankaj, 48162

On Sun, May 02, 2021 at 06:57:08PM +0200, martin rudalics wrote:
> > This patch reintroduces the infinite loop I was trying to avoid.
> >
> > viewDidResize is called every time the view's "frame" is touched. Most
> > of the time this happens when nothing has changed, but calling
> > change_frame_size, even when nothing has changed, appears to cause the
> > toolbar to redraw, which causes viewDidResize to be called again, and
> > so on ad infinitum.
> >
> > So I put in the check whether the new frame size that's reported is
> > actually the same as the previous frame size, and if so do nothing.
> > Then realised that I need to check the new_height and new_width
> > settings in case the change is already pending.
> >
> > I'm not sure where new_size_p comes into it, perhaps we don't even
> > need to check it in viewDidResize, because all we care about is the
> > final outcome?
> >
> > Maybe this really isn't the way to do it and I need to keep track of
> > the frame size separately, which is something I was hoping to avoid.
> 
> new_size_p true means that Emacs has already received a resize event for
> this frame but was not yet able to process it.  So the additional
> 
>           || (newh == emacsframe->new_height
> 	      && neww == emacsframe->new_width)))
> 
> in that case should "do nothing" when "nothing has changed".  Where does
> my reasoning go wrong?

I'm not sure. I was hoping you were going to tell me where I'm going
wrong! :)

The only thing I can see is that in order to go into the block and
return when new_size_p is false requires newh == oldh == new_height.
And the same with width.

Should it be this?

  if ((oldh == newh && oldw == neww && !emacsframe->new_size_p)
      || (newh == emacsframe->new_height
          && neww == emacsframe->new_width))

But I'm still not sure. If we have a change pending and the WM sends
another change through, should we call change_frame_size with the new
sizes?

Perhaps it just needs to look like this?

  if ((oldh == newh && oldw == neww)
      || (newh == emacsframe->new_height
          && neww == emacsframe->new_width))

This is hard, because I can't replicate either of the reported bugs
and I suspect my reasoning is very off here.
-- 
Alan Third





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* bug#48162: 28.0.50; Resizing using set-frame-width doesn't expand mode-line
  2021-05-02 17:18       ` Alan Third
@ 2021-05-02 19:19         ` martin rudalics
  2021-05-02 21:49           ` Alan Third
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: martin rudalics @ 2021-05-02 19:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Alan Third, 48162, pankaj

 > I'm not sure. I was hoping you were going to tell me where I'm going
 > wrong! :)
 >
 > The only thing I can see is that in order to go into the block and
 > return when new_size_p is false requires newh == oldh == new_height.
 > And the same with width.
 >
 > Should it be this?
 >
 >    if ((oldh == newh && oldw == neww && !emacsframe->new_size_p)
 >        || (newh == emacsframe->new_height
 >            && neww == emacsframe->new_width))
 >
 > But I'm still not sure. If we have a change pending and the WM sends
 > another change through, should we call change_frame_size with the new
 > sizes?

We should.

 > Perhaps it just needs to look like this?
 >
 >    if ((oldh == newh && oldw == neww)
 >        || (newh == emacsframe->new_height
 >            && neww == emacsframe->new_width))
 >
 > This is hard, because I can't replicate either of the reported bugs
 > and I suspect my reasoning is very off here.

I think I understand now: When Emacs is busy it cannot set oldh and oldw
immediately so oldh == newh && oldw == neww will continue to fail and we
cannot return.  How about something like the below?

martin


--- a/src/nsterm.m
+++ b/src/nsterm.m
@@ -7309,10 +7309,10 @@ - (void)viewDidResize:(NSNotification *)notification
    oldh = FRAME_PIXEL_HEIGHT (emacsframe);

    /* Don't want to do anything when the view size hasn't changed. */
-  if ((oldh == newh && oldw == neww)
-      || (emacsframe->new_size_p
-          && newh == emacsframe->new_height
-          && neww == emacsframe->new_width))
+  if (emacsframe->new_size_p
+      ? (newh == emacsframe->new_height
+	 && neww == emacsframe->new_width)
+      : (oldh == newh && oldw == neww))
      {
        NSTRACE_MSG ("No change");
        return;







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* bug#48162: 28.0.50; Resizing using set-frame-width doesn't expand mode-line
  2021-05-02 19:19         ` martin rudalics
@ 2021-05-02 21:49           ` Alan Third
  2021-05-03  3:40             ` Pankaj Jangid
  2021-05-03  7:49             ` martin rudalics
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Alan Third @ 2021-05-02 21:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: martin rudalics; +Cc: pankaj, 48162

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On Sun, May 02, 2021 at 09:19:20PM +0200, martin rudalics wrote:
> > Perhaps it just needs to look like this?
> >
> >    if ((oldh == newh && oldw == neww)
> >        || (newh == emacsframe->new_height
> >            && neww == emacsframe->new_width))
> >
> > This is hard, because I can't replicate either of the reported bugs
> > and I suspect my reasoning is very off here.
> 
> I think I understand now: When Emacs is busy it cannot set oldh and oldw
> immediately so oldh == newh && oldw == neww will continue to fail and we
> cannot return.  How about something like the below?

I think the attached works. I finally managed to reproduce the bug and
realised that the offscreen buffer's size doesn't really have anything
to do with what Emacs thinks the frame size is, so I've separated its
resizing code out.

Your suggested code for dealing with the Emacs frame size appears to
work right without any crashes on GNUstep too, so I've included it.

Now I just need to work out why using the menus causes GNUstep builds
to crash and we might have a semi-usable port again. ;)
-- 
Alan Third

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From c4048b3cd6841a7f2ccdfb3f6c880c9ee176390a Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Alan Third <alan@idiocy.org>
Date: Sun, 2 May 2021 22:38:13 +0100
Subject: [PATCH] Fix incorrect resizing behaviour on macOS (bug#48157,
 bug#48162)

* src/nsterm.m ([EmacsView viewDidResize:]): The drawing buffer can be
resized independently of Emacs's idea of the frame size.

Co-authored-by: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>
---
 src/nsterm.m | 36 ++++++++++++++++++++++--------------
 1 file changed, 22 insertions(+), 14 deletions(-)

diff --git a/src/nsterm.m b/src/nsterm.m
index 6e7ab1266b..bb20886ab1 100644
--- a/src/nsterm.m
+++ b/src/nsterm.m
@@ -7303,16 +7303,34 @@ - (void)viewDidResize:(NSNotification *)notification
 
   NSTRACE ("[EmacsView viewDidResize]");
 
+#ifdef NS_DRAW_TO_BUFFER
+  /* If the buffer size doesn't match the view's backing size, destroy
+     the buffer and let it be recreated at the correct size later.  */
+  if ([self wantsUpdateLayer] && surface)
+    {
+      NSRect surfaceRect = {{0, 0}, [surface getSize]};
+      NSRect frameRect = [[self window] convertRectToBacking:frame];
+
+      if (!NSEqualRects (frameRect, surfaceRect))
+        {
+          [surface release];
+          surface = nil;
+
+          [self setNeedsDisplay:YES];
+        }
+    }
+#endif
+
   neww = (int)NSWidth (frame);
   newh = (int)NSHeight (frame);
   oldw = FRAME_PIXEL_WIDTH (emacsframe);
   oldh = FRAME_PIXEL_HEIGHT (emacsframe);
 
   /* Don't want to do anything when the view size hasn't changed. */
-  if ((oldh == newh && oldw == neww)
-      || (emacsframe->new_size_p
-          && newh == emacsframe->new_height
-          && neww == emacsframe->new_width))
+  if (emacsframe->new_size_p
+      ? (newh == emacsframe->new_height
+         && neww == emacsframe->new_width)
+      : (oldh == newh && oldw == neww))
     {
       NSTRACE_MSG ("No change");
       return;
@@ -7321,16 +7339,6 @@ - (void)viewDidResize:(NSNotification *)notification
   NSTRACE_SIZE ("New size", NSMakeSize (neww, newh));
   NSTRACE_SIZE ("Original size", NSMakeSize (oldw, oldh));
 
-#ifdef NS_DRAW_TO_BUFFER
-  if ([self wantsUpdateLayer])
-    {
-      [surface release];
-      surface = nil;
-
-      [self setNeedsDisplay:YES];
-    }
-#endif
-
   change_frame_size (emacsframe, neww, newh, false, YES, false);
 
   SET_FRAME_GARBAGED (emacsframe);
-- 
2.30.2


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* bug#48162: 28.0.50; Resizing using set-frame-width doesn't expand mode-line
  2021-05-02 21:49           ` Alan Third
@ 2021-05-03  3:40             ` Pankaj Jangid
  2021-05-03 12:50               ` Alan Third
  2021-05-03  7:49             ` martin rudalics
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Pankaj Jangid @ 2021-05-03  3:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 48162

Alan Third <alan@idiocy.org> writes:

> I think the attached works. I finally managed to reproduce the bug and
> realised that the offscreen buffer's size doesn't really have anything
> to do with what Emacs thinks the frame size is, so I've separated its
> resizing code out.

This patch worked for me.






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* bug#48162: 28.0.50; Resizing using set-frame-width doesn't expand mode-line
  2021-05-02 21:49           ` Alan Third
  2021-05-03  3:40             ` Pankaj Jangid
@ 2021-05-03  7:49             ` martin rudalics
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: martin rudalics @ 2021-05-03  7:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Alan Third, 48162, pankaj

 > Now I just need to work out why using the menus causes GNUstep builds
 > to crash and we might have a semi-usable port again. ;)

It crashes here when trying to close a submenu.  Other than that
GNUstep seems indeed usable.  Good work.

martin





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* bug#48162: 28.0.50; Resizing using set-frame-width doesn't expand mode-line
  2021-05-03  3:40             ` Pankaj Jangid
@ 2021-05-03 12:50               ` Alan Third
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Alan Third @ 2021-05-03 12:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Pankaj Jangid; +Cc: 48162-done

On Mon, May 03, 2021 at 09:10:22AM +0530, Pankaj Jangid wrote:
> Alan Third <alan@idiocy.org> writes:
> 
> > I think the attached works. I finally managed to reproduce the bug and
> > realised that the offscreen buffer's size doesn't really have anything
> > to do with what Emacs thinks the frame size is, so I've separated its
> > resizing code out.
> 
> This patch worked for me.

Thanks. I think I'll just push this for now.
-- 
Alan Third





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2021-05-02 16:45   ` Alan Third
2021-05-02 16:57     ` martin rudalics
2021-05-02 17:18       ` Alan Third
2021-05-02 19:19         ` martin rudalics
2021-05-02 21:49           ` Alan Third
2021-05-03  3:40             ` Pankaj Jangid
2021-05-03 12:50               ` Alan Third
2021-05-03  7:49             ` martin rudalics

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