From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: henri-biard@francemel.fr Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#49037: flyspell word correction frustrating Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 20:24:27 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_60c8f05b_5b74_2eab9b55" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="331"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 49037@debbugs.gnu.org To: "Eli Zaretskii" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 15 20:25:10 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ltDkM-000AVB-4s for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 20:25:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53968 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ltDkK-0002Gq-JZ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 14:25:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57630) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ltDkE-0002FV-9X for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 14:25:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:39255) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ltDkE-0005fL-1q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 14:25:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltDkD-0005oK-Vu for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 14:25:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: henri-biard@francemel.fr Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 18:25:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 49037 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug Original-Received: via spool by 49037-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B49037.162378148622308 (code B ref 49037); Tue, 15 Jun 2021 18:25:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 49037) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jun 2021 18:24:46 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50801 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltDjx-0005nj-OX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 14:24:46 -0400 Original-Received: from msg-1.mailo.com ([213.182.54.11]:37084) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltDjw-0005nV-D6 for 49037@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 14:24:44 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=francemel.fr; s=mailo; t=1623781467; bh=gkvCUTPwZ41JxV3EpthNWqN9zYhVKn4ModQbMY9V8ss=; h=X-EA-Auth:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:MIME-Version:X-Mailer: Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=TfY9QH87qaV76sdJwbS80c/Wh17yWyGLWvo3O3Mgxy6gDsRdR3bfxyYNT7mxkIL2X w9mTB8JFLRPAT2FKrGb6zAMxqA5ktTelZGp8cSH/hzbMr1v+sPfim2mlMA0oVGyVo6 GMexw+jQUx9eVlzHo1QvI/y4xVOKg1CxI0Sstwfo= Original-Received: by www-7.mailo.com with http webmail; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 20:24:27 +0200 (CEST) X-EA-Auth: lsbrpWHYELgGpHYT2q49odtNwqJLGIZSxKtLDjerUqPjWY5dacIlLo+KoiHsSsG5Rv6NL7JWRRM8E5VQ/zCUnuPxr/BDIKnR X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: COMS/EA21.01/r20210601 In-Reply-To: <831r933udd.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:208589 Archived-At: ------=_NextPart_001_60c8f05b_5b74_2eab9b55 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From: Eli Zaretskii >To: henri-biard@francemel.fr >Subject: Re: bug#49037: flyspell word correction frustrating >Date: 15/06/2021 19:33:50 Europe/Paris >Cc: larsi@gnus.org; >=C2=A0=C2=A0 49037@debbugs.gnu.org >> From: henri-biard@francemel.fr >> Cc: larsi@gnus.org, >> 49037@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 19:08:48 +0200 (CEST) >>=20 >> >> If it was good information I would not complain. >>=20 >> >What is not good about it? >>=20 >> For instance: >>=20 >> 1. It does not tell me that aspell is the default >Why should it? You set up your system with whatever spell-checker you >want, and Emacs uses that. It is not Emacs's business to tell you >which spell-checker to install and use. I have multiple ones and make comparisons between them.=C2=A0 So I really = want to know what it uses.=C2=A0 After all the information is there and that is what em= acs actually does. Should I not be able to easily know what it is doing under the hood.=C2=A0= Emacs Self Documentation should help me with that. >> 2. It does not tell me that even when I use ispell-word, it might actua= lly >> do something else (aspell-word maybe). >ispell-word is a command, it is unrelated to the program being >invoked. The manual clearly says that those commands can work with >any one of the 4 supported spell-checkers. >> 3. It does not describe that it searches PATH. >That's an implementation detail. If you want to know those details, >you have the source to read and study. The user manual explains how >to use the commands, not how the commands work. Explains with no examples or much description of ispell-program-name, whic= h for me is very important. Because Gnu Aspell was designed to replace Ispell, how about deprecating I= spell and simply have emacs-ispell be the general framework for orthographic stu= dy. That would certainly solve the problem. Would appreciate if you do not consider me a "Bad Actor".=C2=A0=20 ------=_NextPart_001_60c8f05b_5b74_2eab9b55 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
>To: henri-biard@francemel.fr
>Subject: Re: bug#49037: flyspell word correction frustrating
>Date: 15/06/2021 19:33:50 Europe/Paris
>Cc: larsi@gnus.org;
>=C2=A0=C2=A0 49037@debbugs.gnu.org

>> From: henri-biard@francemel.fr
>> Cc: larsi@gnus.org,
>> 49037@debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 19:08:48 +0200 (CEST)
>>
>> >> If it was good information I would not complain.
>>
>> >What is not good about it?
>>
>> For instance:
>>
>> 1. It does not tell me that aspell is the default

>Why should it? You set up your system with whatever spell-checker you=
>want, and Emacs uses that. It is not Emacs's business to tell you
= >which spell-checker to install and use.

I have multiple ones and make comparisons between them= .=C2=A0 So I really want to know
what it uses.=C2=A0 After all th= e information is there and that is what emacs actually does.
Shou= ld I not be able to easily know what it is doing under the hood.=C2=A0 Emac= s Self
Documentation should help me with that.

=
>> 2. It does not tell me that even when I use ispell-word, it might= actually
>> do something else (aspell-word maybe).

>ispell-word is a command, it is unrelated to the program being
>invoked. The manual clearly says that those commands can work with >any one of the 4 supported spell-checkers.

>> 3. It does not describe that it searches PATH.

>That's an implementation detail. If you want to know those details, >you have the source to read and study. The user manual explains how
>to use the commands, not how the commands work.

Explains with no examples or much description of ispell-program-name, wh= ich
for me is very important.

Because Gn= u Aspell was designed to replace Ispell, how about deprecating Ispell
=
and simply have emacs-ispell be the general framework for orthographic= study.

That would certainly solve the problem.

Would appreciate if you do not consider me a "B= ad Actor".=C2=A0


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