* bug#44834: 27.1; Tcl mode enforces bad indentation following proc within a namespace
@ 2020-11-23 23:58 Morgan Willcock
2021-01-08 22:21 ` bug#44834: change severity Anticrisis
` (3 more replies)
0 siblings, 4 replies; 51+ messages in thread
From: Morgan Willcock @ 2020-11-23 23:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 44834
It seems as though an incorrect indentation level is sometimes detected
by Tcl mode. An easy (and commonly used) example is a proc defined in a
namespace: the third line which defines p2 incorrectly wants to indent
into the wrong position:
namespace eval ns {
proc p1 {} {}
proc p2 {} {}
}
Spreading braces over more lines has the same issue:
namespace eval ns {
proc p1 {} {
# ...
}
proc p2 {} {
# ...
}
}
The issues seems very specific to detection of the proc, commenting the
first proc delays the problem:
namespace eval ns {
# proc p1 {} {}
proc p2 {} {}
proc p3 {} {}
}
...as does using something other than a proc at the start of the
namespace:
namespace eval ns {
variable x {}
proc p1 {} {}
proc p2 {} {}
}
I believe the problem originates from this commit:
http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/commit/lisp/progmodes/tcl.el?id=cd5bb4bf3dbad8941d25823f398b595b8f0edbb9
To re-create the problem in a new buffer:
1. enter Tcl mode:
M-x tcl-mode
2. paste this text:
namespace eval ns {
proc p1 {} {}
proc p2 {} {}
}
3. move point to anywhere on line 3 and press tab
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make-network-process emacs)
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2020-11-23 23:58 bug#44834: 27.1; Tcl mode enforces bad indentation following proc within a namespace Morgan Willcock
@ 2021-01-08 22:21 ` Anticrisis
2021-01-08 23:04 ` bug#44834: Patch to provide failing test for bug 44834 Anticrisis
` (2 subsequent siblings)
3 siblings, 0 replies; 51+ messages in thread
From: Anticrisis @ 2021-01-08 22:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 44834
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Just a note that this bug makes the current tcl-mode practically unusable
for anyone writing more than a basic single-file script. I'm not sure
'minor' is the correct severity. Can it be changed to 'normal' and would it
be possible to alert the maintainer, who I imagine must not be aware of the
impact of his commits last year?
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2020-11-23 23:58 bug#44834: 27.1; Tcl mode enforces bad indentation following proc within a namespace Morgan Willcock
2021-01-08 22:21 ` bug#44834: change severity Anticrisis
@ 2021-01-08 23:04 ` Anticrisis
2021-01-09 1:24 ` Anticrisis
2021-01-22 1:17 ` bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace Anticrisis
2021-01-22 19:37 ` bug#44834: Patch also closes bug#44083 Anticrisis
3 siblings, 1 reply; 51+ messages in thread
From: Anticrisis @ 2021-01-08 23:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 44834
--- emacs/test/lisp/progmodes/tcl-tests.el 2021-01-01 22:11:30.620000000 -1000
+++ emacs.patched/test/lisp/progmodes/tcl-tests.el 2021-01-08
12:51:27.420000000 -1000
@@ -50,14 +50,14 @@
(insert "proc notinthis {} {\n # nothing\n}\n\n")
(should-not (add-log-current-defun))))
-(ert-deftest tcl-mode-function-name ()
+(ert-deftest tcl-mode-function-name-2 ()
(with-temp-buffer
(tcl-mode)
(insert "proc simple {} {\n # nothing\n}")
(backward-char 3)
(should (equal "simple" (add-log-current-defun)))))
-(ert-deftest tcl-mode-function-name ()
+(ert-deftest tcl-mode-function-name-3 ()
(with-temp-buffer
(tcl-mode)
(insert "proc inthis {} {\n # nothing\n")
@@ -71,6 +71,15 @@
(insert text)
(indent-region (point-min) (point-max))
(should (equal (buffer-string) text)))))
+
+;; From bug#44834
+(ert-deftest tcl-mode-namespace-indent-2 ()
+ (with-temp-buffer
+ (tcl-mode)
+ (let ((text "namespace eval Foo {\n proc foo {} {}\n\n proc bar {}{}}\n"))
+ (insert text)
+ (indent-region (point-min) (point-max))
+ (should (equal (buffer-string) text)))))
(provide 'tcl-tests)
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2021-01-08 23:04 ` bug#44834: Patch to provide failing test for bug 44834 Anticrisis
@ 2021-01-09 1:24 ` Anticrisis
2021-01-10 12:10 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 51+ messages in thread
From: Anticrisis @ 2021-01-09 1:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 44834
Apologies, the patch was munged by gmail even in plain text mode. It
should not be applied.
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* bug#44834: Patch to provide failing test for bug 44834
2021-01-09 1:24 ` Anticrisis
@ 2021-01-10 12:10 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-01-10 18:41 ` Anticrisis
0 siblings, 1 reply; 51+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2021-01-10 12:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Anticrisis; +Cc: 44834
Anticrisis <anticrisisg@gmail.com> writes:
> Apologies, the patch was munged by gmail even in plain text mode. It
> should not be applied.
Try resending it as an attachment.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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* bug#44834: Patch to provide failing test for bug 44834
2021-01-10 12:10 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2021-01-10 18:41 ` Anticrisis
2021-01-11 15:17 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 51+ messages in thread
From: Anticrisis @ 2021-01-10 18:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: 44834
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Trying again with an attachment, thank you for the suggestion.
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--- emacs/test/lisp/progmodes/tcl-tests.el 2021-01-01 22:11:30.620000000 -1000
+++ emacs.patched/test/lisp/progmodes/tcl-tests.el 2021-01-08 12:51:27.420000000 -1000
@@ -50,14 +50,14 @@
(insert "proc notinthis {} {\n # nothing\n}\n\n")
(should-not (add-log-current-defun))))
-(ert-deftest tcl-mode-function-name ()
+(ert-deftest tcl-mode-function-name-2 ()
(with-temp-buffer
(tcl-mode)
(insert "proc simple {} {\n # nothing\n}")
(backward-char 3)
(should (equal "simple" (add-log-current-defun)))))
-(ert-deftest tcl-mode-function-name ()
+(ert-deftest tcl-mode-function-name-3 ()
(with-temp-buffer
(tcl-mode)
(insert "proc inthis {} {\n # nothing\n")
@@ -71,6 +71,15 @@
(insert text)
(indent-region (point-min) (point-max))
(should (equal (buffer-string) text)))))
+
+;; From bug#44834
+(ert-deftest tcl-mode-namespace-indent-2 ()
+ (with-temp-buffer
+ (tcl-mode)
+ (let ((text "namespace eval Foo {\n proc foo {} {}\n\n proc bar {}{}}\n"))
+ (insert text)
+ (indent-region (point-min) (point-max))
+ (should (equal (buffer-string) text)))))
(provide 'tcl-tests)
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2021-01-10 18:41 ` Anticrisis
@ 2021-01-11 15:17 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 0 replies; 51+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2021-01-11 15:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Anticrisis; +Cc: 44834
Anticrisis <anticrisisg@gmail.com> writes:
> Trying again with an attachment, thank you for the suggestion.
Thanks; applied to Emacs 28 (but marked the test as failing).
This change was small enough to apply without assigning copyright to the
FSF, but for future patches you want to submit, it might make sense to
get the paperwork started now, so that subsequent patches can be applied
speedily. Would you be willing to sign such paperwork?
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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* bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace
2020-11-23 23:58 bug#44834: 27.1; Tcl mode enforces bad indentation following proc within a namespace Morgan Willcock
2021-01-08 22:21 ` bug#44834: change severity Anticrisis
2021-01-08 23:04 ` bug#44834: Patch to provide failing test for bug 44834 Anticrisis
@ 2021-01-22 1:17 ` Anticrisis
2021-01-27 4:37 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-01-22 19:37 ` bug#44834: Patch also closes bug#44083 Anticrisis
3 siblings, 1 reply; 51+ messages in thread
From: Anticrisis @ 2021-01-22 1:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 44834
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This patch corrects the problem by partially backing out changes
introduced in this commit 2 1/2 years ago:
https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/commit/lisp/progmodes/tcl.el?id=cd5bb4bf3dbad8941d25823f398b595b8f0edbb9
The patch removes the customized tcl-beginning-of-defun-function in
favor of relying on the existing lisp mechanism. It preserves the
customized tcl-end-of-defun-function because that is required for some
test cases.
The expected-failing test was marked as succeeding.
This is a minor change. I did not refer to any code outside of emacs
itself in investigating and correcting this bug. I will not be able to
provide additional paperwork.
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diff --git a/lisp/progmodes/tcl.el b/lisp/progmodes/tcl.el
index 0a0118a5eb..c294a2af22 100644
--- a/lisp/progmodes/tcl.el
+++ b/lisp/progmodes/tcl.el
@@ -651,7 +651,6 @@ tcl-mode
(setq-local add-log-current-defun-function
#'tcl-add-log-defun)
- (setq-local beginning-of-defun-function #'tcl-beginning-of-defun-function)
(setq-local end-of-defun-function #'tcl-end-of-defun-function))
\f
@@ -849,14 +848,12 @@ tcl-calculate-indent
state
containing-sexp
found-next-line)
- (cond
- (parse-start
+
+ (if parse-start
(goto-char parse-start))
- ((not (beginning-of-defun))
- ;; If we're not in a function, don't use
- ;; `tcl-beginning-of-defun-function'.
- (let ((beginning-of-defun-function nil))
- (beginning-of-defun))))
+
+ (beginning-of-defun)
+
(while (< (point) indent-point)
(setq parse-start (point))
(setq state (parse-partial-sexp (point) indent-point 0))
@@ -1035,22 +1032,6 @@ tcl-indent-exp
;; Interfaces to other packages.
;;
-(defun tcl-beginning-of-defun-function (&optional arg)
- "`beginning-of-defun-function' for Tcl mode."
- (when (or (not arg) (= arg 0))
- (setq arg 1))
- (let* ((search-fn (if (> arg 0)
- ;; Positive arg means to search backward.
- #'re-search-backward
- #'re-search-forward))
- (arg (abs arg))
- (result t))
- (while (and (> arg 0) result)
- (unless (funcall search-fn tcl-proc-regexp nil t)
- (setq result nil))
- (setq arg (1- arg)))
- result))
-
(defun tcl-end-of-defun-function ()
"`end-of-defun-function' for Tcl mode."
;; Because we let users redefine tcl-proc-list, we don't really know
diff --git a/test/lisp/progmodes/tcl-tests.el b/test/lisp/progmodes/tcl-tests.el
index cf1ed2896e..e55eb6d901 100644
--- a/test/lisp/progmodes/tcl-tests.el
+++ b/test/lisp/progmodes/tcl-tests.el
@@ -74,7 +74,6 @@ tcl-mode-namespace-indent
;; From bug#44834
(ert-deftest tcl-mode-namespace-indent-2 ()
- :expected-result :failed
(with-temp-buffer
(tcl-mode)
(let ((text "namespace eval Foo {\n proc foo {} {}\n\n proc bar {}{}}\n"))
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2021-01-22 1:17 ` bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace Anticrisis
@ 2021-01-27 4:37 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-06 21:51 ` Anticrisis
2021-02-06 22:55 ` Dmitry Gutov
0 siblings, 2 replies; 51+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2021-01-27 4:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Anticrisis; +Cc: 44834
Anticrisis <anticrisisg@gmail.com> writes:
> This is a minor change. I did not refer to any code outside of emacs
> itself in investigating and correcting this bug. I will not be able to
> provide additional paperwork.
The change is unfortunately too big to apply without a copyright
assignment to the FSF. Are you willing to sign such paperwork?
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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* bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace
2021-01-27 4:37 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2021-02-06 21:51 ` Anticrisis
2021-02-07 5:47 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-06 22:55 ` Dmitry Gutov
1 sibling, 1 reply; 51+ messages in thread
From: Anticrisis @ 2021-02-06 21:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: 44834
> The change is unfortunately too big to apply without a copyright
> assignment to the FSF. Are you willing to sign such paperwork?
On further thoughts, I am not willing to complete the paperwork
requested to assign copyright to the FSF. Instead, I waive all
interest in this patch by adopting the CC0 public domain waiver. I
have posted a shortened form of the patch (without the test/ diff) and
waiver to:
https://gist.github.com/anticrisis/08ca7e7e5a66a4c9d4b445cde7ed75b4
in the hopes that it will be useful to those in the emacs community
who use tcl-mode.
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* bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace
2021-02-06 21:51 ` Anticrisis
@ 2021-02-07 5:47 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-07 7:26 ` Anticrisis
0 siblings, 1 reply; 51+ messages in thread
From: Richard Stallman @ 2021-02-07 5:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Anticrisis; +Cc: larsi, 44834
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]
I have not looked at the patch or the problem it fixes.
But I can say something about the issue of its copyright.
We can use the program if it is under CC0, but would you
please send the FSF a paper affirming that?
Also, do you have an employer that might claim copyright on it?
--
Dr Richard Stallman
Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org)
Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)
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* bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace
2021-02-07 5:47 ` Richard Stallman
@ 2021-02-07 7:26 ` Anticrisis
0 siblings, 0 replies; 51+ messages in thread
From: Anticrisis @ 2021-02-07 7:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: rms; +Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen, 44834
It really is a tiny change, and I explain the rationale in an earlier
comment on this bug report, it would take five minutes for anyone else
to read the explanation and make the same code change. I placed the
CC0 disclaimer using the Creative Commons CC0 tool directly on the
gist at github I posted earlier. I'm afraid any paperwork would
require my real name and signature, which I'm not willing to give. And
I am self-employed. I don't need attribution, I just hope the official
version of tcl-mode can be improved for everyone.
On Sat, Feb 6, 2021 at 7:47 PM Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> wrote:
>
> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]]
> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]]
> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]
>
> I have not looked at the patch or the problem it fixes.
> But I can say something about the issue of its copyright.
>
> We can use the program if it is under CC0, but would you
> please send the FSF a paper affirming that?
>
> Also, do you have an employer that might claim copyright on it?
> --
> Dr Richard Stallman
> Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org)
> Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
> Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)
>
>
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* bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace
2021-01-27 4:37 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-06 21:51 ` Anticrisis
@ 2021-02-06 22:55 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-07 5:47 ` Richard Stallman
1 sibling, 1 reply; 51+ messages in thread
From: Dmitry Gutov @ 2021-02-06 22:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen, Anticrisis; +Cc: 44834
On 27.01.2021 06:37, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote:
> The change is unfortunately too big to apply without a copyright
> assignment to the FSF.
Is it really?
There are like 2 new [non-empty] lines in there.
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* bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace
2021-02-06 22:55 ` Dmitry Gutov
@ 2021-02-07 5:47 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-07 11:40 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 51+ messages in thread
From: Richard Stallman @ 2021-02-07 5:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dmitry Gutov; +Cc: anticrisisg, larsi, 44834
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]
> > The change is unfortunately too big to apply without a copyright
> > assignment to the FSF.
> Is it really?
> There are like 2 new [non-empty] lines in there.
If someone contributes just 2 nontrivial lines, we can treat it as a
trivial change.
--
Dr Richard Stallman
Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org)
Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)
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* bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace
2021-02-07 5:47 ` Richard Stallman
@ 2021-02-07 11:40 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-08 3:44 ` Richard Stallman
0 siblings, 1 reply; 51+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2021-02-07 11:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Richard Stallman; +Cc: anticrisisg, 44834, Dmitry Gutov
Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
> > > The change is unfortunately too big to apply without a copyright
> > > assignment to the FSF.
>
> > Is it really?
>
> > There are like 2 new [non-empty] lines in there.
>
> If someone contributes just 2 nontrivial lines, we can treat it as a
> trivial change.
Oh, I thought the rule was "15 lines of non-trivial changes", not "15
lines of non-trivial new code"... (The patch in question mostly just
removes code.)
Let's see... From CONTRIBUTE:
----
Once the cumulative amount of your submissions exceeds about 15 lines
of non-trivial changes, we will need you to assign to the FSF the
copyright for your contributions.
----
So if code removal doesn't count, then perhaps this should be rephrased?
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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* bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace
2021-02-07 11:40 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2021-02-08 3:44 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-08 6:30 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 51+ messages in thread
From: Richard Stallman @ 2021-02-08 3:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: anticrisisg, 44834, dgutov
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]
> Once the cumulative amount of your submissions exceeds about 15 lines
> of non-trivial changes, we will need you to assign to the FSF the
> copyright for your contributions.
> ----
> So if code removal doesn't count, then perhaps this should be rephrased?
It can surely be improved, to say that lines deleted or totally replaced don't
count.
However, trying to make it a completely clear and precise statement
is a misguided goal.
--
Dr Richard Stallman
Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org)
Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)
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* bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace
2021-02-08 3:44 ` Richard Stallman
@ 2021-02-08 6:30 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-09 6:07 ` Richard Stallman
0 siblings, 1 reply; 51+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2021-02-08 6:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Richard Stallman; +Cc: anticrisisg, 44834, dgutov
Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
> > Once the cumulative amount of your submissions exceeds about 15 lines
> > of non-trivial changes, we will need you to assign to the FSF the
> > copyright for your contributions.
> > ----
>
> > So if code removal doesn't count, then perhaps this should be rephrased?
>
> It can surely be improved, to say that lines deleted or totally replaced don't
> count.
>
> However, trying to make it a completely clear and precise statement
> is a misguided goal.
I've now changed "changes" to "code", and I'll apply the patch.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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* bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace
2021-02-08 6:30 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2021-02-09 6:07 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-09 8:24 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 51+ messages in thread
From: Richard Stallman @ 2021-02-09 6:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: anticrisisg, 44834, dgutov
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The text said
> > > Once the cumulative amount of your submissions exceeds about 15 lines
> > > of non-trivial changes, we will need you to assign to the FSF the
> > > copyright for your contributions.
I think you changed it to
> > > Once the cumulative amount of your submissions exceeds about 15 lines
> > > of non-trivial code, we will need you to assign to the FSF the
> > > copyright for your contributions.
but that is not entirely correct either. People could misinterpret
what is "trivial."
Please put in
about 10 new or modified nontrivial lines of code. (A line with
a symbol is nontrivial.)
--
Dr Richard Stallman
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Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
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* bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace
2021-02-09 6:07 ` Richard Stallman
@ 2021-02-09 8:24 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-09 15:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 51+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2021-02-09 8:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Richard Stallman; +Cc: anticrisisg, 44834, dgutov
Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
> but that is not entirely correct either. People could misinterpret
> what is "trivial."
>
> Please put in
>
> about 10 new or modified nontrivial lines of code. (A line with
> a symbol is nontrivial.)
Eli has changed the text further; please have a look.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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* bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace
2021-02-09 8:24 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2021-02-09 15:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-10 5:32 ` Richard Stallman
0 siblings, 1 reply; 51+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2021-02-09 15:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: anticrisisg, 44834, rms, dgutov
> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
> Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2021 09:24:53 +0100
> Cc: anticrisisg@gmail.com, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru
>
> Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
>
> > but that is not entirely correct either. People could misinterpret
> > what is "trivial."
> >
> > Please put in
> >
> > about 10 new or modified nontrivial lines of code. (A line with
> > a symbol is nontrivial.)
>
> Eli has changed the text further; please have a look.
FTR, the text now says:
Once the cumulative amount of your submissions exceeds about 15 lines
of non-trivial code you added or changed (not counting deleted lines),
we will need you to assign to the FSF the copyright for your
contributions. Ask on emacs-devel@gnu.org, and we will send you the
necessary form together with the instructions to fill and email it, in
order to start this legal paperwork.
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* bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace
2021-02-09 15:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2021-02-10 5:32 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-10 15:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-10 15:24 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 2 replies; 51+ messages in thread
From: Richard Stallman @ 2021-02-10 5:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: anticrisisg, larsi, 44834, dgutov
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]]
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> FTR, the text now says:
> Once the cumulative amount of your submissions exceeds about 15 lines
> of non-trivial code you added or changed (not counting deleted lines),
> we will need you to assign to the FSF the copyright for your
> contributions. Ask on emacs-devel@gnu.org, and we will send you the
> necessary form together with the instructions to fill and email it, in
> order to start this legal paperwork.
Thanks. Please make it this:
> Once the cumulative amount of your submissions exceeds about 10
> new or modified nontrivial lines of code, we will need you to
> assign to the FSF the copyright for your contributions. (If a
> line contains a symbol, consider it nontrivial.) Ask on
> emacs-devel@gnu.org, and we will send you the necessary form
> together with the instructions to fill and email it, in order to
> start this legal paperwork.
--
Dr Richard Stallman
Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org)
Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)
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* bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace
2021-02-10 5:32 ` Richard Stallman
@ 2021-02-10 15:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-11 13:39 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-10 15:24 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
1 sibling, 1 reply; 51+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2021-02-10 15:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: rms; +Cc: anticrisisg, larsi, 44834, dgutov
> From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
> Cc: larsi@gnus.org, anticrisisg@gmail.com, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org,
> dgutov@yandex.ru
> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 00:32:42 -0500
>
> > FTR, the text now says:
>
> > Once the cumulative amount of your submissions exceeds about 15 lines
> > of non-trivial code you added or changed (not counting deleted lines),
> > we will need you to assign to the FSF the copyright for your
> > contributions. Ask on emacs-devel@gnu.org, and we will send you the
> > necessary form together with the instructions to fill and email it, in
> > order to start this legal paperwork.
>
> Thanks. Please make it this:
>
> > Once the cumulative amount of your submissions exceeds about 10
> > new or modified nontrivial lines of code, we will need you to
> > assign to the FSF the copyright for your contributions. (If a
> > line contains a symbol, consider it nontrivial.) Ask on
> > emacs-devel@gnu.org, and we will send you the necessary form
> > together with the instructions to fill and email it, in order to
> > start this legal paperwork.
Why remove the note about not counting deleted lines? I agree that in
principle "new or modified" covers that, but how many readers will
immediately understand that "modified" doesn't include "deleted"? I
put that there to make it clear; is there a reason not to say that
explicitly?
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* bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace
2021-02-10 15:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2021-02-11 13:39 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-11 14:00 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-11 14:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 2 replies; 51+ messages in thread
From: Richard Stallman @ 2021-02-11 13:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: anticrisisg, larsi, 44834, dgutov
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]
> Why remove the note about not counting deleted lines?
Because it is logically not necessary.
> I agree that in
> principle "new or modified" covers that, but how many readers will
> immediately understand that "modified" doesn't include "deleted"?
The idea is to count lines in the new version which are added or
modified. If that is clear, you will see that it doesn't count
anything from the old versin.
If that is not clear, we do need to clarify it. But real
clarification calls for more than "deleted lines don't count". It's,
"Don't count _anything_ from the old code; count only the added and
modified lines in the _patched_ code."
--
Dr Richard Stallman
Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org)
Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)
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* bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace
2021-02-11 13:39 ` Richard Stallman
@ 2021-02-11 14:00 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-11 14:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
1 sibling, 0 replies; 51+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2021-02-11 14:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Richard Stallman; +Cc: anticrisisg, 44834, dgutov
Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
> > Why remove the note about not counting deleted lines?
>
> Because it is logically not necessary.
Preferably, instructions like this shouldn't be brain teasers, but state
(even redundantly) what the terms are.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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* bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace
2021-02-11 13:39 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-11 14:00 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2021-02-11 14:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-12 5:48 ` Richard Stallman
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From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2021-02-11 14:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: rms; +Cc: anticrisisg, larsi, 44834, dgutov
> From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
> Cc: larsi@gnus.org, anticrisisg@gmail.com, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org,
> dgutov@yandex.ru
> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 08:39:12 -0500
>
> > I agree that in
> > principle "new or modified" covers that, but how many readers will
> > immediately understand that "modified" doesn't include "deleted"?
>
> The idea is to count lines in the new version which are added or
> modified. If that is clear, you will see that it doesn't count
> anything from the old versin.
The problem is that most modern comparison tools show diffs where
there are no "changed" lines (the "!" mark of "diff -c"), they only
show "-" and "+", i.e. as if the edit distance is a sequence of just 2
operations: delete and add. So "changed" doesn't have a clear and
immediate interpretation in terms of the presentation in diffs.
> If that is not clear, we do need to clarify it. But real
> clarification calls for more than "deleted lines don't count". It's,
> "Don't count _anything_ from the old code; count only the added and
> modified lines in the _patched_ code."
That's clear enough. How about this text:
Once the cumulative amount of your submissions exceeds about 10 lines
of non-trivial changes, we will need you to assign to the FSF the
copyright for your contributions. (To see how many lines were
non-trivially changed, count only added and modified lines in the
patched code. An added or changed line is non-trivial if it includes
at least one identifier.) Ask on emacs-devel@gnu.org, and we will
send you the necessary form together with the instructions to fill and
email it, in order to start this legal paperwork.
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2021-02-11 14:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2021-02-12 5:48 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-12 5:48 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-12 8:14 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2 siblings, 0 replies; 51+ messages in thread
From: Richard Stallman @ 2021-02-12 5:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: anticrisisg, larsi, 44834, dgutov
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]
> > The idea is to count lines in the new version which are added or
> > modified. If that is clear, you will see that it doesn't count
> > anything from the old versin.
> The problem is that most modern comparison tools show diffs where
> there are no "changed" lines (the "!" mark of "diff -c"), they only
> show "-" and "+", i.e. as if the edit distance is a sequence of just 2
> operations: delete and add.
That seems inconvenient, in general. Why do they do that?
But it doesn't matter at all for this one purpose.
So "changed" doesn't have a clear and
> immediate interpretation in terms of the presentation in diffs.
When you're counting the added or changed lines, it should not matter
whether the tool distinguishs added lines from changed lines.
If it labels them all with +, you can still count them.
--
Dr Richard Stallman
Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org)
Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)
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2021-02-11 14:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-12 5:48 ` Richard Stallman
@ 2021-02-12 5:48 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-12 7:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-12 8:14 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2 siblings, 1 reply; 51+ messages in thread
From: Richard Stallman @ 2021-02-12 5:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: anticrisisg, larsi, 44834, dgutov
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]
> Once the cumulative amount of your submissions exceeds about 10 lines
> of non-trivial changes, we will need you to assign to the FSF the
> copyright for your contributions. (To see how many lines were
> non-trivially changed, count only added and modified lines in the
> patched code. An added or changed line is non-trivial if it includes
> at least one identifier.) Ask on emacs-devel@gnu.org, and we will
> send you the necessary form together with the instructions to fill and
> email it, in order to start this legal paperwork.
Please change it to this. (I am taking account of someone else's
feedback.)
> Once the cumulative amount of your submissions exceeds about 10 lines
> of non-trivial changes, we will need you to assign to the FSF the
> copyright for your contributions. (To see how many lines were
> non-trivially changed, count only added and modified lines in the
> patched code. Consider an added or changed line to be non-trivial
> if it includes at least one identifier, string, or substantial comment.)
> Ask on emacs-devel@gnu.org, and we will
> send you the necessary form together with the instructions to fill and
> email it, in order to start this legal paperwork.
--
Dr Richard Stallman
Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org)
Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)
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2021-02-12 5:48 ` Richard Stallman
@ 2021-02-12 7:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
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From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2021-02-12 7:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: rms; +Cc: anticrisisg, larsi, 44834, dgutov
> From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
> Cc: anticrisisg@gmail.com, larsi@gnus.org, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org,
> dgutov@yandex.ru
> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 00:48:54 -0500
>
> Please change it to this. (I am taking account of someone else's
> feedback.)
>
> > Once the cumulative amount of your submissions exceeds about 10 lines
> > of non-trivial changes, we will need you to assign to the FSF the
> > copyright for your contributions. (To see how many lines were
> > non-trivially changed, count only added and modified lines in the
> > patched code. Consider an added or changed line to be non-trivial
> > if it includes at least one identifier, string, or substantial comment.)
> > Ask on emacs-devel@gnu.org, and we will
> > send you the necessary form together with the instructions to fill and
> > email it, in order to start this legal paperwork.
Thanks, installed.
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* bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace
2021-02-11 14:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-12 5:48 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-12 5:48 ` Richard Stallman
@ 2021-02-12 8:14 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-12 11:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-13 3:26 ` Richard Stallman
2 siblings, 2 replies; 51+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2021-02-12 8:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: anticrisisg, 44834, rms, dgutov
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> Once the cumulative amount of your submissions exceeds about 10 lines
> of non-trivial changes, we will need you to assign to the FSF the
But it used to be 15 lines?
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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* bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace
2021-02-12 8:14 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2021-02-12 11:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-13 3:26 ` Richard Stallman
1 sibling, 0 replies; 51+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2021-02-12 11:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: anticrisisg, 44834, rms, dgutov
> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
> Cc: rms@gnu.org, anticrisisg@gmail.com, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org,
> dgutov@yandex.ru
> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 09:14:33 +0100
>
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
> > Once the cumulative amount of your submissions exceeds about 10 lines
> > of non-trivial changes, we will need you to assign to the FSF the
>
> But it used to be 15 lines?
Richard asked to change it to 10.
AFAIU, what CONTRIBUTE says is just a conservative threshold, above
which human judgment is required. After all, how much of creative
value is there in any given code is not something one can estimate by
just counting lines.
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* bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace
2021-02-12 8:14 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-12 11:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2021-02-13 3:26 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-13 11:37 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-13 12:25 ` Dmitry Gutov
1 sibling, 2 replies; 51+ messages in thread
From: Richard Stallman @ 2021-02-13 3:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: anticrisisg, 44834, dgutov
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]
> > Once the cumulative amount of your submissions exceeds about 10 lines
> > of non-trivial changes, we will need you to assign to the FSF the
> But it used to be 15 lines?
If people were counting both old and new code in the patch, and now they
are counting just new code, the total should be smaller.
--
Dr Richard Stallman
Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org)
Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)
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* bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace
2021-02-13 3:26 ` Richard Stallman
@ 2021-02-13 11:37 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-13 12:25 ` Dmitry Gutov
1 sibling, 0 replies; 51+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2021-02-13 11:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Richard Stallman; +Cc: anticrisisg, 44834, dgutov
Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
> > > Once the cumulative amount of your submissions exceeds about 10 lines
> > > of non-trivial changes, we will need you to assign to the FSF the
>
> > But it used to be 15 lines?
>
> If people were counting both old and new code in the patch, and now they
> are counting just new code, the total should be smaller.
I was counting that way, but it doesn't sound like Eli was (and I don't
know whether anybody else was). So if that's the reason for lowering
the number of lines, it should be changed back to 15 again.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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* bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace
2021-02-13 3:26 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-13 11:37 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2021-02-13 12:25 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-16 5:19 ` Richard Stallman
1 sibling, 1 reply; 51+ messages in thread
From: Dmitry Gutov @ 2021-02-13 12:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: rms, Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: anticrisisg, 44834
On 13.02.2021 05:26, Richard Stallman wrote:
> If people were counting both old and new code in the patch
I didn't.
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* bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace
2021-02-13 12:25 ` Dmitry Gutov
@ 2021-02-16 5:19 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-16 12:05 ` Dmitry Gutov
0 siblings, 1 reply; 51+ messages in thread
From: Richard Stallman @ 2021-02-16 5:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dmitry Gutov; +Cc: anticrisisg, larsi, 44834
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]
> > If people were counting both old and new code in the patch
> I didn't.
It's not about you or one specific case.
--
Dr Richard Stallman
Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org)
Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)
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* bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace
2021-02-16 5:19 ` Richard Stallman
@ 2021-02-16 12:05 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-16 12:06 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 51+ messages in thread
From: Dmitry Gutov @ 2021-02-16 12:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: rms; +Cc: anticrisisg, larsi, 44834
On 16.02.2021 07:19, Richard Stallman wrote:
> > > If people were counting both old and new code in the patch
>
> > I didn't.
>
> It's not about you or one specific case.
I have been accepting patches from users for years, both into Emacs
proper and into several GNU ELPA packages.
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* bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace
2021-02-16 12:05 ` Dmitry Gutov
@ 2021-02-16 12:06 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-16 15:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-17 4:12 ` Richard Stallman
0 siblings, 2 replies; 51+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2021-02-16 12:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dmitry Gutov; +Cc: anticrisisg, 44834, rms
Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru> writes:
> On 16.02.2021 07:19, Richard Stallman wrote:
>> > > If people were counting both old and new code in the patch
>> > I didn't.
>> It's not about you or one specific case.
>
> I have been accepting patches from users for years, both into Emacs
> proper and into several GNU ELPA packages.
So I think the text should go back to "15" unless Richard has a better
explanation for the change.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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* bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace
2021-02-16 12:06 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2021-02-16 15:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-16 16:29 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
` (2 more replies)
2021-02-17 4:12 ` Richard Stallman
1 sibling, 3 replies; 51+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2021-02-16 15:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: anticrisisg, 44834, rms, dgutov
> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 13:06:43 +0100
> Cc: anticrisisg@gmail.com, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org
>
> So I think the text should go back to "15" unless Richard has a better
> explanation for the change.
Would it be good enough to say "about 10" instead? The exact number
is impossible to define, and arguing about it is waste of time and
energy. When in doubt (and we rarely are), we can always ask (and
actually do ask).
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2021-02-16 15:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2021-02-16 16:29 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-16 17:15 ` Juri Linkov
2021-02-18 14:15 ` Dmitry Gutov
2 siblings, 0 replies; 51+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2021-02-16 16:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: anticrisisg, 44834, rms, dgutov
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> Would it be good enough to say "about 10" instead? The exact number
> is impossible to define, and arguing about it is waste of time and
> energy.
Sure, that's fine. Or "about 15". :-)
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* bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace
2021-02-16 15:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-16 16:29 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2021-02-16 17:15 ` Juri Linkov
2021-02-16 18:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-18 6:12 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-18 14:15 ` Dmitry Gutov
2 siblings, 2 replies; 51+ messages in thread
From: Juri Linkov @ 2021-02-16 17:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: anticrisisg, Lars Ingebrigtsen, 44834, rms, dgutov
>> So I think the text should go back to "15" unless Richard has a better
>> explanation for the change.
>
> Would it be good enough to say "about 10" instead? The exact number
> is impossible to define, and arguing about it is waste of time and
> energy. When in doubt (and we rarely are), we can always ask (and
> actually do ask).
Or for a number between 10 and 15 - "a dozen".
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* bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace
2021-02-16 17:15 ` Juri Linkov
@ 2021-02-16 18:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-18 6:12 ` Richard Stallman
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From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2021-02-16 18:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Juri Linkov; +Cc: anticrisisg, larsi, 44834, rms, dgutov
> From: Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
> Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>, anticrisisg@gmail.com,
> 44834@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru
> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 19:15:20 +0200
>
> Or for a number between 10 and 15 - "a dozen".
Yes, "a dozen" would also be good, IMO.
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* bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace
2021-02-16 17:15 ` Juri Linkov
2021-02-16 18:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2021-02-18 6:12 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-18 14:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
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From: Richard Stallman @ 2021-02-18 6:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Juri Linkov; +Cc: anticrisisg, larsi, 44834, dgutov
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> Or for a number between 10 and 15 - "a dozen".
"a dozen or so" could be good.
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Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
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* bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace
2021-02-18 6:12 ` Richard Stallman
@ 2021-02-18 14:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
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From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2021-02-18 14:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: rms; +Cc: anticrisisg, larsi, juri, 44834, dgutov
> From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
> Cc: eliz@gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, anticrisisg@gmail.com,
> 44834@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru
> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2021 01:12:46 -0500
>
> > Or for a number between 10 and 15 - "a dozen".
>
> "a dozen or so" could be good.
Thanks, I made that change.
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* bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace
2021-02-16 15:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-16 16:29 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-16 17:15 ` Juri Linkov
@ 2021-02-18 14:15 ` Dmitry Gutov
2 siblings, 0 replies; 51+ messages in thread
From: Dmitry Gutov @ 2021-02-18 14:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii, Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: anticrisisg, 44834, rms
On 16.02.2021 17:38, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> When in doubt (and we rarely are)
I believe this will happen more often now.
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* bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace
2021-02-16 12:06 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-16 15:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2021-02-17 4:12 ` Richard Stallman
1 sibling, 0 replies; 51+ messages in thread
From: Richard Stallman @ 2021-02-17 4:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: anticrisisg, 44834, dgutov
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]]
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[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]
> >> It's not about you or one specific case.
> >
> > I have been accepting patches from users for years, both into Emacs
> > proper and into several GNU ELPA packages.
> So I think the text should go back to "15" unless Richard has a better
> explanation for the change.
I can't follow your reasoning. Why is Dmitri's own interpretation
of the old wording have to do with this question?
It's possible I am mistaken about how people generally interpreted
the previous criterion, but one person's interpretation doesn't show that.
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* bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace
2021-02-10 5:32 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-10 15:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2021-02-10 15:24 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-10 16:03 ` Matt Armstrong
2021-02-11 13:39 ` Richard Stallman
1 sibling, 2 replies; 51+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2021-02-10 15:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Richard Stallman; +Cc: anticrisisg, 44834, dgutov
Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
> > assign to the FSF the copyright for your contributions. (If a
> > line contains a symbol, consider it nontrivial.) Ask on
I don't quite understand what you mean by "if a line contains a symbol".
Do you mean that strings or comments don't count?
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* bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace
2021-02-10 15:24 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2021-02-10 16:03 ` Matt Armstrong
2021-02-11 13:39 ` Richard Stallman
1 sibling, 0 replies; 51+ messages in thread
From: Matt Armstrong @ 2021-02-10 16:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: anticrisisg, 44834, Richard Stallman, dgutov
Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
> Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> > assign to the FSF the copyright for your contributions. (If a
>> > line contains a symbol, consider it nontrivial.) Ask on
>
> I don't quite understand what you mean by "if a line contains a symbol".
> Do you mean that strings or comments don't count?
Yes, "non-blank lines added/changed" seems preferable, simply because it
is clear and unambiguous.
- I think Richard may have implied that a line with a symbol is a
sufficient condition for nontriviality, but it isn't clear if
intended it to be a necessary condition. I suspect he meant
"sufficient", but I think many people would interpret it as a
"necessary" condition.
- The meaning of "symbol" is not immediately clear in non-lisp code
such as C, makefiles, scripts, etc.
- If a commit completely rewrites a long comment or doc string, should
it be considered "trivial" for the purposes of copyright?
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* bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace
2021-02-10 15:24 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-10 16:03 ` Matt Armstrong
@ 2021-02-11 13:39 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-11 14:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
1 sibling, 1 reply; 51+ messages in thread
From: Richard Stallman @ 2021-02-11 13:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: anticrisisg, 44834, dgutov
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]]
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> I don't quite understand what you mean by "if a line contains a symbol".
> Do you mean that strings or comments don't count?
No. I meant to say that even one symbol on a line maks it nontrivial.
But you're right that strings and comments count. So do numbers.
--
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Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)
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* bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace
2021-02-11 13:39 ` Richard Stallman
@ 2021-02-11 14:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-11 14:49 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-12 5:48 ` Richard Stallman
0 siblings, 2 replies; 51+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2021-02-11 14:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: rms; +Cc: anticrisisg, larsi, 44834, dgutov
> From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
> Cc: eliz@gnu.org, anticrisisg@gmail.com, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org,
> dgutov@yandex.ru
> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 08:39:24 -0500
>
> > I don't quite understand what you mean by "if a line contains a symbol".
> > Do you mean that strings or comments don't count?
>
> No. I meant to say that even one symbol on a line maks it nontrivial.
> But you're right that strings and comments count. So do numbers.
Empty lines are clearly trivial, but what other examples of trivial
lines exist? Should we say "non-empty lines"?
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* bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace
2021-02-11 14:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2021-02-11 14:49 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-12 5:48 ` Richard Stallman
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From: Dmitry Gutov @ 2021-02-11 14:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii, rms; +Cc: anticrisisg, larsi, 44834
On 11.02.2021 16:41, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> Empty lines are clearly trivial, but what other examples of trivial
> lines exist? Should we say "non-empty lines"?
I think we should also usually discount the cases of moving code around.
If a line was removed in one place and an exact same line added in
another, it's not really new code.
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* bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace
2021-02-11 14:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-11 14:49 ` Dmitry Gutov
@ 2021-02-12 5:48 ` Richard Stallman
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From: Richard Stallman @ 2021-02-12 5:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: anticrisisg, larsi, 44834, dgutov
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]
> Empty lines are clearly trivial, but what other examples of trivial
> lines exist? Should we say "non-empty lines"?
A line with just braces, or parentheses, or just a few operators,
can be taken as trivial.
There is no precise rule here.
--
Dr Richard Stallman
Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org)
Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)
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* bug#44834: Patch also closes bug#44083
2020-11-23 23:58 bug#44834: 27.1; Tcl mode enforces bad indentation following proc within a namespace Morgan Willcock
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From: Anticrisis @ 2021-01-22 19:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 44834
This patch also closes bug#44083.
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