From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Phil Sainty Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#56401: "Case folding" should be called "ignore case" Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2022 16:37:54 +1200 Message-ID: References: <87r12zze9k.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4210"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Orcon Webmail Cc: 56401@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 06 06:39:24 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1o8wou-0000rp-9a for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2022 06:39:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41024 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o8wos-0003xL-Kg for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2022 00:39:22 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56330) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o8woY-0003xA-U6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2022 00:39:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:58135) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o8woY-00025i-LH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2022 00:39:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o8woY-0005Rk-E4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2022 00:39:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Phil Sainty Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2022 04:39:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 56401 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 56401-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B56401.165708229020867 (code B ref 56401); Wed, 06 Jul 2022 04:39:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 56401) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jul 2022 04:38:10 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52032 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o8wnh-0005QV-OM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2022 00:38:09 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp-4.orcon.net.nz ([60.234.4.59]:50915) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o8wnd-0005QL-W2 for 56401@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2022 00:38:08 -0400 Original-Received: from [10.253.37.70] (port=47548 helo=webmail.orcon.net.nz) by smtp-4.orcon.net.nz with esmtpa (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o8wnS-0007Vq-VV; Wed, 06 Jul 2022 16:37:55 +1200 Original-Received: from ip-116-251-140-135.kinect.net.nz ([116.251.140.135]) via [10.253.37.253] by webmail.orcon.net.nz with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Wed, 06 Jul 2022 16:37:54 +1200 In-Reply-To: <87r12zze9k.fsf@gnus.org> X-Sender: psainty@orcon.net.nz X-GeoIP: -- X-Spam_score: -2.9 X-Spam_score_int: -28 X-Spam_bar: -- X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:236195 Archived-At: On 2022-07-06 04:59, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Stefan Kangas writes: >> The "case fold" terminology is too technical and not very >> user-friendly. In other software, in most user-facing contexts, >> it is called "ignore case". "Ignore case" is in fact the precise term used in the "Default search options" menu, so we do already cater to newcomers in that way. "Case" isn't the only thing that can be "folded" though, and I don't think "ignore" is always a good verb. I don't think `replace-char-fold' should be `replace-char-ignore'. OTOH we do already have more than one term for this, unfortunately. "lax-whitespace" should probably use the "fold" terminology too? I agree that "fold" isn't intuitive to newcomers, but I also think it's good to try to limit the number of different terms used to express a concept. -Phil