From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#22866: 24.5; 'C-h S' leads to inaccurate result Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2016 09:18:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: References: <> <<16fa0843-cc8a-4ad4-a627-50ded0d70c3b@default>> <<83h9gq6ssb.fsf@gnu.org>> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1456852763 424 80.91.229.3 (1 Mar 2016 17:19:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2016 17:19:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: i@introo.me, 22866@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 01 18:19:09 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aanwx-0006ZL-QT for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 18:19:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51296 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aanwx-00085H-7g for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 12:19:07 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46786) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aanws-00084T-SC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 12:19:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aanws-00006X-15 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 12:19:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:59457) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aanwr-00006T-Ty for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 12:19:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aanwr-0000BW-QS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 12:19:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2016 17:19:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22866 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 22866-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22866.1456852737700 (code B ref 22866); Tue, 01 Mar 2016 17:19:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 22866) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Mar 2016 17:18:57 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56584 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aanwn-0000BE-7k for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 12:18:57 -0500 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:27084) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aanwm-0000B1-3L for 22866@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 12:18:56 -0500 Original-Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u21HIncq015453 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Mar 2016 17:18:50 GMT Original-Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u21HInJk005401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2016 17:18:49 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0001.oracle.com (abhmp0001.oracle.com [141.146.116.7]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u21HImdu029739; Tue, 1 Mar 2016 17:18:49 GMT In-Reply-To: <<83h9gq6ssb.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:114263 Archived-At: > > > For the function `delete-char'. 'C-h S' takes me to: > > > (emacs)Top > Killing > Deletion and Killing > Deletion > > > However, it should go to: (elisp)Top > Text > Deletion > > > > Why do you think so? This is a user command, not just an > > Elisp function. An Emacs user looking for information about > > it interactively will expect to go to its description in the > > Emacs manual. If we have to choose one or the other, we > > should, I think, favor user help, especially for a command. > > > > That said... (1) Maybe we could cross-reference the one from > > the other manual? (2) It might be good if `C-h S' popped > > up a buffer of links to references in both manuals. (3) It > > would be good if *Help* output from `C-h f' and `C-h k' > > provided links to the manuals (both). >=20 > I think the way to solve this is to have a new Help command that > would specifically look up a function name in the ELisp manual. That too would work. If someone wanted references to both manuals, it would still be helpful if that new command, as well as `C-h S', interpreted certain prefix-arg values as requesting that, and showed links to them (e.g., as I described). For example: * A non-negative prefix arg could do as now: query for the mode. * A non-positive prefix arg could show links to both manuals. (So a zero arg would do both.)