From: Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@gutov.dev>
To: "Mattias Engdegård" <mattias.engdegard@gmail.com>
Cc: 69709@debbugs.gnu.org, "Gerd Möllmann" <gerd.moellmann@gmail.com>,
"Eli Zaretskii" <eliz@gnu.org>,
"Stefan Monnier" <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Subject: bug#69709: `sort` interface improvement and universal ordering predicate
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2024 19:39:51 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <e1d5cc5c-c15d-4c61-bead-80794040ab1f@gutov.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4B7ACA81-DEB9-4878-BE0B-88A302AF7081@gmail.com>
On 23/03/2024 16:58, Mattias Engdegård wrote:
> 22 mars 2024 kl. 21.55 skrev Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@gutov.dev>:
>
>> :in-place is not too bad.
>
> Thank you, I'm going with :in-place because :destructive puts emphasis on the wrong aspect. Sorting in-place has predictable and useful side-effects, in contrast to the old (pre-timsort) implementation that garbled the input list.
Okay.
> But non-destructive should definitely be the default. All my own experience (and from observations, that of other people) shows that it's far less error-prone. This applies to other languages as well, even very imperative ones like Python.
My concern is that it will make people write less performant code by
default. Which will degrade unnecessarily on larger inputs (often not
anticipated by the author in advance).
So others will have to go around each such project, ensure the original
list is "owned" and add the :in-place argument, to reach the optimum
performance. That's why, I think, 'sort' is mutating in most languages.
I suppose an extra copy-sequence is not that expensive, compared to most
things. It's still extra garbage (meaning GC pauses sooner or later).
Maybe it'll become less important with a better GC algorithm.
> The branch scratch/sort-key has been updated with polished changes, including updates of the Lisp manual.
> `value-less-p` is now called `value<`. (We could still unify it with `<`, perhaps.)
>
> A small tweak to the implementation of non-destructive list sorting gave a speed-up of 1.1x-1.5x, which was surprisingly good. The old code just called copy-sequence on the input.
>
> An even bigger boost was gained from special-casing the ordering predicate `value<`: 1.5x-2x speed-up on practically all input. This alone could be worth all the trouble with the patch series. We could do even better by special-casing on common key types, such as fixnums.
Very nice.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-03-23 17:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-03-10 13:28 bug#69709: `sort` interface improvement and universal ordering predicate Mattias Engdegård
2024-03-10 14:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-10 14:56 ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-03-20 19:01 ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-03-20 19:37 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-21 14:55 ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-03-21 14:54 ` Eshel Yaron via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-22 20:55 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-03-23 14:58 ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-03-23 17:39 ` Dmitry Gutov [this message]
2024-03-23 20:09 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-23 23:19 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-03-23 23:25 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-25 11:11 ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-03-29 10:59 ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-03-29 11:38 ` Daniel Mendler via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-29 11:52 ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-05-17 12:29 ` Daniel Mendler via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-17 17:49 ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-03-29 12:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-29 15:02 ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-03-29 15:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-29 16:13 ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-03-29 18:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-10 15:48 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-03-10 15:56 ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-03-10 16:03 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-03-10 16:46 ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-03-10 16:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-10 17:54 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-03-11 7:01 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-14 14:03 ` Aris Spathis
2024-04-14 16:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-14 16:33 ` Mattias Engdegård
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