bug#4962: Bug#4962: Fwd: Please include tour parts 2 and 3, and the slideshow version of tour part 1, on your website

bug#4962: Bug#4962: Fwd: Please include tour parts 2 and 3, and the slideshow version of tour part 1, on your website

[Jason A. Spiro]

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Phil Sung <psung@alum.mit.edu>
Date: Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: Please include tour parts 2 and 3, and the slideshow
version of tour part 1, on your website
To: "Jason A. Spiro" <jasonspiro4@gmail.com>

Hi Jason,

[I'm not sure that debbugs has processed your original email yet, but
I will repost this message when it has.]

As an aside, thanks for your efforts in thinking about how we can
smooth out the learning curve for new Emacs users! I think this is
really important and often neglected.

On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 20:34, Jason A. Spiro <jasonspiro4@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you for putting a version of Phil Sung's guided tour of Emacs on
> your website at http://gnu.org/s/emacs/tour/ -- but I prefer Phil's
> slideshow version.  But AFAICT the slideshow version is not available
> anywhere on gnu.org. I do admit that some people will prefer the
> prose version.  So you should offer both versions on your website.
> [...]
> So, could you please change http://gnu.org/s/emacs/tour/ to be not a
> tour, but a menu, linking to six choices?:

I prefer the current layout because casual/uncommitted visitors to the
web site can immediately read something (ever so slightly...) engaging
and useful rather than having to make a decision.

(I think the prose version is actually more accessible, despite being
longer. It's more easily skimmed/searched and has lots of context that
is elided from the slide versions.)

If others agree that the slides fill a needed niche (myself, I am
indifferent), perhaps something like the following would be good:
1. Add a link to part1.html in a sidebar of the current tour page.
2. Add the other slides somewhere else, e.g. wherever we have
elisp-related resources right now. Additionally, mention them in the
"resources" section at the end of the tour.

What do you think?

Regards,
Phil

bug#4962: Bug#4962: Fwd: Please include tour parts 2 and 3, and the slideshow version of tour part 1, on your website

[Lennart Borgman]

On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Jason A. Spiro <jasonspiro4@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> If others agree that the slides fill a needed niche (myself, I am
> indifferent), perhaps something like the following would be good:
> 1. Add a link to part1.html in a sidebar of the current tour page.
> 2. Add the other slides somewhere else, e.g. wherever we have
> elisp-related resources right now. Additionally, mention them in the
> "resources" section at the end of the tour.
>
> What do you think?

The slide show is good for presentation for an audience where you want
to be able to show a particular picture without much effort. Otherwise
the "prose" version is much better IMO.