From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#4960: 23.1.50; Please provide access to the tour on the Help menu; preferably ship it also Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:06:04 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87ws1lzksg.fsf@mail.jurta.org> Reply-To: Lennart Borgman , 4960@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1258720099 24156 80.91.229.12 (20 Nov 2009 12:28:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:28:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 4960@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 20 13:28:12 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NBSaw-0004QZ-08 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:28:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46345 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NBSav-0006Nq-7R for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:28:09 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NBSaI-0005ww-S8 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:27:30 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NBSaD-0005uq-HB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:27:29 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=51371 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NBSaD-0005uU-04 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:27:25 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:57191) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NBSaB-00035P-LI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:27:24 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nAKCRLIs004193; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:27:21 -0800 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id nAKCK5Ak003482; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:20:05 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:20:05 -0800 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Resent-From: Lennart Borgman Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs 2Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:20:05 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 4960 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 4960-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B4960.12587191582988 (code B ref 4960); Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:20:05 +0000 Original-Received: (at 4960) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 20 Nov 2009 12:12:38 +0000 X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. Original-Received: from mail-yw0-f179.google.com (mail-yw0-f179.google.com [209.85.211.179]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nAKCCbQX002985 for <4960@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:12:38 -0800 Original-Received: by ywh9 with SMTP id 9so2886828ywh.19 for <4960@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:12:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=FxIpVj2If3lHRryTfV6J+I4mdx9KzEMl7F7Va4usCHs=; b=qX3VAPa9ChPmEnKgXvm8Yd9ozucv1rIBbXmjT1VvVr1Sx8FV4BWllKjMj5ZzcYlwZr JEDp9woo+COuZ1vQQpCxBRK4vo9eMhuijpo4N+0xI0bVZ+j8FvNopGM2BkwEb/llRFb6 dLVJNEhm5xE50zXYxyEIySHi0yGlf+PUgc8ls= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=O/SoAl/kShjcv7HdXbRYo55C0SllW7Y3hccEexi+wl4nKoX28FgL4kV0iV9NzEC1mV 7c1qgOSIlnow1fru9YJORhi0GtLCfaYdc79pqmYzXdyH5Ryv1FLjQRrSeLl4cbuoUapx uyy5EF2GZubUgsjiuBge5DZ7ztWD5Nai5Not4= Original-Received: by 10.101.155.38 with SMTP id h38mr1636181ano.146.1258718784142; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:06:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87ws1lzksg.fsf@mail.jurta.org> X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:27:29 -0500 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:32761 Archived-At: On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Juri Linkov wrote: >>> Previous discussion: >>> >>> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2008-11/msg00120.html >> >> There seemed to be a consensus to change part of the Help menu the way >> Drew suggested: >> >> =C2=A0 http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2008-11/msg00158.ht= ml >> >> Though Stefan and someone else thought that a menu item that opened >> something in a web browser felt a bit wrong. I never understood why. >> Is not that very common? >> >> I suggest we change the Help menu as discussed there. > > The Web Guided Tour is an advertisement of Emacs features. > It doesn't provide any help. =C2=A0So the "Help" menu is not appropriate. > We could create a new menu "Ads" ;-) It does not provide any tour (if you do not run it). It does not provide any insight (if you don't want it). It does not provide any news (if you already know). It does not ... You can't seriously mean that, or? ;-)