From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#4960: 23.1.50; Please provide access to the tour on the Help menu; preferably ship it also Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:06:10 +0100 Message-ID: References: <16272.1258637651@chondestes.bio.unc.edu> Reply-To: Lennart Borgman , 4960@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1258641602 5081 80.91.229.12 (19 Nov 2009 14:40:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:40:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs Bugs , bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com, 4960@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com To: "Joel J. Adamson" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 19 15:39:54 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NB8As-0000ep-0o for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:39:54 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59416 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NB8Aq-0007yW-Ee for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 09:39:52 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NB7yw-0003ts-NI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 09:27:35 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NB7yq-0003r3-Mo for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 09:27:32 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=46278 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NB7ym-0003q8-EV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 09:27:25 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:34621) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NB7yl-00014f-OS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 09:27:24 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nAJERKkt005293; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 06:27:22 -0800 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id nAJEF4BE004149; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 06:15:04 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 06:15:04 -0800 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Resent-From: Lennart Borgman Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs 2Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:15:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 4960 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B.12586396003389 (code B ref -1); Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:15:04 +0000 Original-Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 19 Nov 2009 14:06:40 +0000 X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nAJE6chu003381 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 06:06:40 -0800 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NB7eg-0006X8-FD for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 09:06:38 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NB7eb-0006UC-3n for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 09:06:37 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=52968 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NB7ea-0006Tx-R0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 09:06:32 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-yx0-f191.google.com ([209.85.210.191]:35962) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NB7ea-0004jZ-Ab for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 09:06:32 -0500 Original-Received: by yxe29 with SMTP id 29so5050893yxe.14 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 06:06:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=BGAFj0dGxA6X1jZ6MwL4G3o1aoSltLfe8ocqvZMxtec=; b=OxLlEf/uXClHLYRJbGnTfDIi85xvPL80iCbOaMhPhrbmKXxEG28xgJvTepRSmJwtwK C2YlcYDFPtsk0LqHYi8BfQ10HCNgtJhkFro/+BfE3dPNGNMGn/0jVw+I0E05A9TUspLK hpj10EcbpUfe7uiXj/v0w05He915+rdD1LI80= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=XRJTtq3ve0bNRRpeZJN1pMdC4w7kExNLVCBisz6QaNtmrz2hNPzWZKPCSfxUt9Wasy 7QWav3a8maxPs4vrEfGdm2ceHuWRcKYaDBNGVMXhiDAsTu57PTtbGTsygbL3kPloF15w oI3rq1TirgWWuJhGrB+67eoeXyMWjjt0jPZPY= Original-Received: by 10.101.182.20 with SMTP id j20mr32749anp.65.1258639590207; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 06:06:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <16272.1258637651@chondestes.bio.unc.edu> X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 09:27:32 -0500 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:32708 Archived-At: On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Joel J. Adamson w= rote: >>>>>> "Lennart" =3D=3D Lennart Borgman writes: > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Glenn Morris wrote: > =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> Previous discussion: > =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2008-11/msg= 00120.html > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0> There seemed to be a consensus to change part of the Help = menu the > =C2=A0 =C2=A0> way Drew suggested: > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2008-= 11/msg00158.html > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Though Stefan and someone else thought that a menu item th= at > =C2=A0 =C2=A0> opened something in a web browser felt a bit wrong. I neve= r > =C2=A0 =C2=A0> understood why. =C2=A0Is not that very common? > > It may be common, but that doesn't mean it's good. =C2=A0I find myself ra= ther > unnerved when I go to a help Menu expecting to find some *help > documentation* and instead get sent to a website that acts mainly as > advertisement. > > Of course in the case of Emacs it would be a link to something useful. > However, users should be made fully aware that they will be opening a > web browser. =C2=A0And what would you do to make sure the browser is prop= erly > configured? Maybe show the link in the menu title too or at least in the tool tip? Since it is an official Emacs site people do not have to worry. And if the link is displayed in the message buffer when trying to open the site then it is easy to paste it if opening the web browser fails.