From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bellinstead Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:34:10 +0100 Message-ID: References: <009901c9421f$5bd0a6b0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <00ad01c942a0$1f49ca60$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> Reply-To: Lennart Borgman , 1305@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1226307045 11118 80.91.229.12 (10 Nov 2008 08:50:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:50:45 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, jasonspiro4@gmail.com To: "Stefan Monnier" , 1305@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 10 09:51:47 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KzSUt-0004wU-1k for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:34:10 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.86.65.3 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:34:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-kernel: by mx20.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 03:50:10 -0500 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:22255 Archived-At: On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 3:07 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> No, that's not the intent. The intent is to make the visible bell the >> default. To turn it off, you turn off visible-bell, which makes Emacs >> beep again, and then turn off the speakers. > > Indeed. A good reason to use visible-bell by default is that we have no > guarantee that the bell can actually be heard (e.g. I usually turn it > off because I usually consider that a computer should be as close to > silent as possible, except when I specifically ask otherwise (.e.g > listing to music or whatching a video)). > > The other reason is that the beep can annoy other people than the user, > whereas the visible-bell is very unlikely to annoy other people than the > user herself. But there has been some messages telling that having it on by default is good for visually impaired people.