From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sebastian Urban Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#48504: Improve style of C-h t description (Preface) Date: Wed, 19 May 2021 15:44:51 +0200 Message-ID: References: <83im3frgsr.fsf@gnu.org> <3195631d-1f4c-2b55-b7ed-9bb919458c76@gmail.com> <83h7izqx4l.fsf@gnu.org> <837djvq6n2.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="38727"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.2 Cc: 48504@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed May 19 15:46:22 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ljMWj-0009qi-49 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 19 May 2021 15:46:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41970 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ljMWi-0007ki-4t for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 19 May 2021 09:46:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45684) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ljMVT-0005Dy-Tq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 19 May 2021 09:45:04 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:46868) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ljMVS-00068D-Gq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 19 May 2021 09:45:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ljMVS-0003Ws-Bh for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 19 May 2021 09:45:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Sebastian Urban Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 19 May 2021 13:45:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 48504 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 48504-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B48504.162143190013544 (code B ref 48504); Wed, 19 May 2021 13:45:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 48504) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 May 2021 13:45:00 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58414 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ljMVP-0003WO-S4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 May 2021 09:45:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ed1-f54.google.com ([209.85.208.54]:44030) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ljMVO-0003W9-AQ for 48504@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 May 2021 09:44:58 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ed1-f54.google.com with SMTP id s6so15383528edu.10 for <48504@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 19 May 2021 06:44:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8XAuF8+ppOltcUZk8xkMkGXUWAYEfF0CN/9gop4e+z4=; b=KgMMR/uBnKoT8lnplSmzjy4lxVbT1js92AsGUTPY6X5gqsUj46JAljrpoHlgBdhy/p BOuZRMCHPGlIVLxB1tNnJK+VYWXIWM7+kCBsJcYuxjBwHiD69OHU4bfNrXxJ6m42+BGC AFUC9tPCxgxUMzOzsrtMNMGxCfNLp1nf4ZWtIu7qsOGKW72H52hE43U/4AVMNKUbRVHO E1xR54xnFacIMtRgIJMLysDJ3E+/DQoQ3QPKHuwhybK+cXhcYS9P2HeSF1N3xvVgt28A xFgao8EbZsOY34rlApm+oMLxVHyfa5ABGITb1GegjLWQi96LwE8nc6X4auuTzM4H6Ukp Jqdw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=8XAuF8+ppOltcUZk8xkMkGXUWAYEfF0CN/9gop4e+z4=; b=IhA+G/JEoBapxr42OT6frH/vpquJsd/cY1qQKm2u5Y6T+2HRViTukdGnOxfGTunJX7 ZquLliHlKNyFuAMXNlxLMKNXO8AqRA78vuMsvCcSG7Q6xctEYFqXEffnRWI8p/9XelMx IfwL1ElOdIQnZD1mDnjsl4AalM7pBiROv2vLtkuyv02JU517AkyzCUseyg/Zy+mT27zW RqCJcWK23k/5obz41RW5f3t1TxPrv2Ixg1NaihYtnO7WcPaBzmJCe0WUdUMEaPQY/YHk ryZsqTPBujhbmOPMNKNkb7Rd+9mCznVQ5IEdyFu4ZOs+sbsTesliaY6hULnAP+lNXvJj Ep4A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531NNAs50wl8hPKqsHNHzmj+sN7pGfqSN4+jCFYxtMJn4sfUfB+C rnfdr0Hae4Of6JI4flBIZcL6iio2hsE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxQVB8gXFTIuzXKDKk+PcqlpcfxOU5AGCn+kPbvdpgmhx5U9aFaN0MOvYLSi369yVEWWubAzg== X-Received: by 2002:aa7:d74a:: with SMTP id a10mr14222882eds.311.1621431892429; Wed, 19 May 2021 06:44:52 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from ?IPv6:2a00:f41:c55:c6a5:d5b2:29ee:75fc:607b? ([2a00:f41:c55:c6a5:d5b2:29ee:75fc:607b]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f7sm16374757edd.5.2021.05.19.06.44.51 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 19 May 2021 06:44:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <837djvq6n2.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Language: en-GB X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:206887 Archived-At: >> No, I mean to change this: >> (which is ``control h and then t'') >> into this: >> (hold down @key{Control} and type @kbd{h}, then let go of >> @key{Control} and type @kbd{t}) > > That's awkward. What exactly? It's basically copy-paste from SCREEN.TEXI (L126). Is it awkward there as well? > How about > > To run the tutorial, start Emacs and type @kbd{C-h t} (that is, > press and hold Control, then type h, then release Control and type > t). Why @kbd/@key (commands for indication) can't be used here for "Control"/"h"/"t"? The complete sentence would look (in EMACS.TEXI) like this: To run the tutorial, start Emacs and type @kbd{C-h t} (that/which is, hold down @key{Control} and type @kbd{h}, then let go of @key{Control} and type @kbd{t}). Whether there will be "that is" or "which is" - it's up to you.