From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#23577: 24.5; emacs_backtrace.txt Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 22:47:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: References: <4de15268-d7a7-4d69-814c-54c3d4302e2b@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1463636973 9223 80.91.229.3 (19 May 2016 05:49:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 05:49:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 23577@debbugs.gnu.org To: John Wiegley Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu May 19 07:49:18 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1b3Gpi-0005d1-36 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 19 May 2016 07:49:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48465 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b3Gpe-00035c-6V for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 19 May 2016 01:49:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57217) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b3GpY-00034w-PF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2016 01:49:09 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b3GpS-00033k-PV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2016 01:49:07 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:45208) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b3GpS-00033f-MJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2016 01:49:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1b3GpS-0003M2-CE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2016 01:49:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 05:49:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 23577 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo Original-Received: via spool by 23577-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B23577.146363688612826 (code B ref 23577); Thu, 19 May 2016 05:49:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 23577) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 May 2016 05:48:06 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57544 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1b3GoY-0003Kk-3b for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2016 01:48:06 -0400 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:23771) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1b3GoW-0003KG-M8 for 23577@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2016 01:48:05 -0400 Original-Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u4J5lvKS000569 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 May 2016 05:47:58 GMT Original-Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u4J5lv6R008774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 May 2016 05:47:57 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0004.oracle.com (abhmp0004.oracle.com [141.146.116.10]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u4J5ls1M014282; Thu, 19 May 2016 05:47:57 GMT In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:118441 Archived-At: > It would actually be better to not create bug reports that look like this= . > I'm > not sure any of them have ever resulted in positive action, since no one = can > make heads or tails of the trace. Fine. I'll be glad to oblige. Can you define "look like this"? You're not sure that any of them have ever resulted in positive action, but it is definitely the case that several of the emacs_backtrace.txt reports I've filed have been resolved, thanks to the info in the backtrace files. (None recently, it is true.) All of those that were resolved also looked, to me, "like this". But perhaps not to the informed eye. I guess I'll just not send any emacs_backtrace.txt reports in the future. Is there a way for me to prevent Emacs from writing such useless files, and return to the way things were before Emacs started cleverly writing them? I certainly have no need for them, if they are not helpful to report. How to turn off this "feature"? Better yet would be for Emacs to write only useful ones, if possible. If it cannot write something useful, why write anything? Eli calls out to whoever built the Emacs binary to provide extra information, to help decipher the backtrace. Juanma did that in the past, for his binaries. But in this case the binary was built and distributed by GNU Emacs, I believe - it is the 24.5.1 release, AFAIK. I no longer see releases in directory /gnu/emacs/windows/, however. All that is there now are Emacs 25 pretests. (And do these pretest binaries have the magic sauce that would make their emacs_backtrace files useful? I don't think so.) (And BTW, why is there a windows/ directory of pretests at the top level there, in addition to there being a windows/ directory under each of the other directories, pretest/ and pretests/?)