From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#16617: 24.3.50; REGRESSION: `C-q ?' pops up annoying *Char Help* buffer Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 07:32:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: References: <891cf052-6085-4ad4-b03b-83379a85ff0f@default> <7367bf77-7602-4a02-82ce-804c2f88bf25@default> <87a9c2fzd6.fsf@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1396535614 6143 80.91.229.3 (3 Apr 2014 14:33:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 14:33:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 16617@debbugs.gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 03 16:33:26 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WVihm-0001Zn-OX for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 03 Apr 2014 16:33:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44409 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WVihm-0003Fm-Bn for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 03 Apr 2014 10:33:22 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44107) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WVihb-0003CW-3c for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Apr 2014 10:33:19 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WVihS-0004E2-9z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Apr 2014 10:33:11 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:33383) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WVihS-0004Du-7f for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Apr 2014 10:33:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WVihR-0002iF-M2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Apr 2014 10:33:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 14:33:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16617 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 16617-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B16617.139653553210346 (code B ref 16617); Thu, 03 Apr 2014 14:33:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 16617) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Apr 2014 14:32:12 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34565 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WVigd-0002gn-On for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Apr 2014 10:32:12 -0400 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:23149) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WViga-0002ge-DC for 16617@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Apr 2014 10:32:09 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s33EW6S3000698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Apr 2014 14:32:07 GMT Original-Received: from aserz7021.oracle.com (aserz7021.oracle.com [141.146.126.230]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s33EW5Kc023790 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 3 Apr 2014 14:32:05 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0015.oracle.com (abhmp0015.oracle.com [141.146.116.21]) by aserz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s33EW5QQ005097; Thu, 3 Apr 2014 14:32:05 GMT In-Reply-To: <87a9c2fzd6.fsf@yandex.ru> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:87701 Archived-At: > > There has been no response to this regression report, which includes a > > clear recipe to repro it. >=20 > Either the recipe is not clean, or you probably haven't tried it > starting from `emacs -Q'. >=20 > `C-q ?' and `C-q ' insert ? or a non-printable character here. > No help buffers. It seems that you did not read the bug report well. Did you see this part? 4. With `emacs -Q', you might not even notice the popped-up *Char Help* buffer, which means that it does not even do what the enhancer presumably intended. It just flashes for an instant - impossible to read it, and serving no purpose but to annoy and puzzle. This alone is a regression wrt previous Emacs releases. Do I need to make the recipe clearer? emacs -Q M-x set-variable pop-up-frames t In a writable buffer: C-q ?