From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Leonard Lausen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#27505: acknowledged by developer (Re: bug#27505: LC_CTYPE affects tutorial language) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2017 10:54:37 +0900 Message-ID: References: <871soq7pyr.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <44eb186d-db67-3e93-31cd-8260f5df7781@lausen.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1501898125 9443 195.159.176.226 (5 Aug 2017 01:55:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2017 01:55:25 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.0 To: 27505@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 05 03:55:21 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ddoJE-00029s-S3 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 03:55:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55033 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ddoJK-0002Cv-QQ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 21:55:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34724) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ddoJ2-0001Zr-CC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 21:55:09 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ddoIx-000610-CM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 21:55:08 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:39548) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ddoIx-00060u-8U for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 21:55:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ddoIx-0001Z5-17 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 21:55:03 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Leonard Lausen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2017 01:55:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 27505 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug Original-Received: via spool by 27505-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B27505.15018980915987 (code B ref 27505); Sat, 05 Aug 2017 01:55:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 27505) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Aug 2017 01:54:51 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42224 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ddoIk-0001YV-Rf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 21:54:51 -0400 Original-Received: from hercules.uberspace.de ([95.143.172.224]:59348 ident=ySPFh5YPYXQ) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ddoIi-0001YL-8c for 27505@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 21:54:48 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 30420 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2017 01:54:45 -0000 Original-Received: from localhost (HELO ?10.64.184.121?) (127.0.0.1) by hercules.uberspace.de with SMTP; 5 Aug 2017 01:54:45 -0000 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:135373 Archived-At: Please reopen this bug. Unfortunately my previous reply was only sent to Andreas, but not to the bug list. I am attaching it below. A short summary is that emacs is assuming the language I occasionally need to input is also the language I want to read by default, which is a wrong assumption. Note that its not possible to input Chinese characters in emacs without setting LC_CTYPE to zh_CN. Thanks Andreas and Eli for the prompt reply. In that case though I believe the intended emacs behavior does not make sense. Given that I need to set LC_CTYPE=zh_CN.UTF-8 just to make it possible to use input system input methods for Chinese characters doesn't mean I want to actually use a Chinese language interface. Or concretely, I am learning Chinese and am comfortable typing it or having daily conversations, however I don't feel comfortable reading the emacs manual in Chinese. For my language learning I also tend to keep some notes in Chinese which I would like to edit with emacs. Shouldn't there be a way to allow people to input Chinese (or other non-European languages) without affecting the language environment? The current behavior seems to discriminate language learners What do you think? Thanks! Best regards Leonard