From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21472: 25.0.50; REGRESSION: (emacs) `Coding Systems' uses curly quotes for Lisp strings Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 16:48:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: References: <55F83FDF.2070202@cs.ucla.edu> <83y4g77io1.fsf@gnu.org> <55F86E4D.5030505@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1442360978 19510 80.91.229.3 (15 Sep 2015 23:49:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 23:49:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 21472@debbugs.gnu.org To: Paul Eggert , Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 16 01:49:24 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZbzyU-0008BO-RP for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 01:49:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46439 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZbzyT-0003vw-SZ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:49:21 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55876) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZbzyE-0003aE-Ts for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:49:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZbzyB-0000H2-I3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:49:06 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:41493) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZbzyB-0000Gw-Er for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:49:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZbzyB-0007H7-9X for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:49:03 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 23:49:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21472 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 21472-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21472.144236091427910 (code B ref 21472); Tue, 15 Sep 2015 23:49:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at 21472) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Sep 2015 23:48:34 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33700 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Zbzxh-0007G6-Kc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:48:34 -0400 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:44062) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Zbzxf-0007Fy-MT for 21472@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:48:32 -0400 Original-Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t8FNmUgf016491 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Sep 2015 23:48:30 GMT Original-Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t8FNmUCd028611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Sep 2015 23:48:30 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0003.oracle.com (abhmp0003.oracle.com [141.146.116.9]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t8FNmTVu021515; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 23:48:30 GMT In-Reply-To: <55F86E4D.5030505@cs.ucla.edu> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:106615 Archived-At: > > This sentence: > > On a decentralized version control system, push changes from the > > current branch to another location. > > > > where "push" was quoted, is now reads like incorrect English >=20 > Why? It's idiomatic English to talk about pushing changes in a dVCS. > See, for example, > vc/push-changes>, > which says =E2=80=9CYou push changes from your local AppBuilder repositor= y to your > remote Git repository.=E2=80=9D >=20 > > The external border is normally not shown on fullboth and mazimized > > frames. > > > > Previously, "fullboth", which is not a word, was quoted to indicate > > that it's not a real word. >=20 > As I understand it the section is intended to define =E2=80=9Cfullboth=E2= =80=9D as an > invented English word, which is fine: the invented word should be defined > with @dfn (which quotes the word in info files), and other uses of the > word should appear unquoted just like any other word. This is standard > English style. The manual should not quote every use of a neologism, > as scare quotes are not a good style for a manual. >=20 > That being said, there were problems with the section: it did not use @df= n > to define =E2=80=9Cfullboth=E2=80=9D, and the paragraph defining =E2=80= =9Cfullboth=E2=80=9D was written > awkwardly. > I just now installed a followup patch to fix that. I added index > entries while I was at it. >=20 > > Many places have a quoted text replaced by @dfn, although there's no > > terminology here that we describe or index. >=20 > Examples? I put in @dfn when I thought the text was defining a term. >=20 > Indexing is a separate axis. If the text uses a term that should be > indexed, the index entry should be created regardless of whether the > text surrounds a term with @dfn or with ``...'' or with nothing at all. > By and large my recent large patch worried about quoting, not about index= ing. I do not object if people want to discuss other occurrences of quoted terms in the context of this bug thread, _provided_ this bug gets addressed as reported: it is only about _these particular quoted terms_. IOW, let us please not lose sight of _THIS_ bug in some larger consideration of other quoted terms and phrases (which I did not initiate, and in which I have not participated).