From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#26024: Help with download... Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 06:37:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: References: <87shmo2bag.fsf@russet.org.uk> <834lz3gm23.fsf@gnu.org> <9ifuin8298.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="__1489070276036242084abhmp0013.oracle.com" X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1489070356 20892 195.159.176.226 (9 Mar 2017 14:39:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 14:39:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 26024@debbugs.gnu.org, Phillip Lord To: Christopher Smith , Glenn Morris Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 09 15:39:10 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1clzDg-0004p1-56 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 15:39:08 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34520 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1clzDm-0004CX-6G for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 09:39:14 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53131) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1clzDe-0004CI-P6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 09:39:08 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1clzDb-00029N-Kt for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 09:39:06 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:49072) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1clzDb-00028d-He for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 09:39:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1clzDa-0007ml-WC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 09:39:03 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2017 14:39:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 26024 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 26024-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B26024.148907028929867 (code B ref 26024); Thu, 09 Mar 2017 14:39:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 26024) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Mar 2017 14:38:09 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47271 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1clzCf-0007lb-JY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 09:38:09 -0500 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:24876) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1clzCe-0007l7-2C for 26024@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 09:38:04 -0500 Original-Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id v29EbvOS030868 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 9 Mar 2017 14:37:58 GMT Original-Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v29EbvU7024611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 9 Mar 2017 14:37:57 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0013.oracle.com (abhmp0013.oracle.com [141.146.116.19]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v29Ebu2o027671; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 14:37:56 GMT In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:130371 Archived-At: --__1489070276036242084abhmp0013.oracle.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think this might also be relevant: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2017-03/msg00084.html =C2=A0 At least if a README is present someone might think to look at it. If none = is present then it's a guessing game. And even with the README, as the mess= age above indicates, the zip-file naming convention is not obvious. =C2=A0 From: Christopher Smith [mailto:cmsmith193@gmail.com]=20 Yeah Mr. Morris, you're onto something there. I'm a sophomore physics stude= nt just looking around the web for useful tools and Quora.com lead me to em= acs. I honestly have no idea what it is though and my programming skills en= d at hello world. Us windows users are definitely used to just going url = =3D> downloads =3D> windows =3D> for latest version click here! Thank you a= ll so much though for the quick responses! =C2=A0 On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 12:09 AM, Glenn Morris wrote: FWIW I think the point here is that "here's the ftp server, you figure out which file you need" is now archaic. The new thing is A Big Button that you press that defaults to the "right" file for you, and a small "other versions" link. See eg HYPERLINK "http://firefox.com" \nfirefo= x.com. Also, one normally skips to the end to get the latest version, but on HYPERLINK "http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/windows" \nftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/wi= ndows, "emacs-25.1-2" sorts before "emacs-25.1", which doesn't help. Perhaps MS Windows users are additionally confused to not get an .exe file that they Just Click to start installing. There's a 200 line README file that explains what to do, but no-one reads the README. :) =C2=A0 --__1489070276036242084abhmp0013.oracle.com Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I th= ink this might also be relevant:

= http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2017-03/msg00084.= html

 

At least if a README is presen= t someone might think to look at it. If none is present then it's a guessin= g game. And even with the README, as the message above indicates, the zip-f= ile naming convention is not obvious.

From: Christopher Smith [mailto:cmsmith193@gmail.com]

Yeah Mr. Morris, you're onto something there= . I'm a sophomore physics student just looking around the web for useful to= ols and Quora.com lead me to emacs. I honestly have no idea what it is thou= gh and my programming skills end at hello world. Us windows users are defin= itely used to just going url =3D> downloads =3D> windows =3D> for = latest version click here! Thank you all so much though for the quick respo= nses!

 

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 12:09 AM, Glenn Morris <<= a href=3D"mailto:rgm@gnu.org" target=3D"_blank">rgm@gnu.org> wrote:<= o:p>


FWIW I think the point here is that = "here's the ftp server, you figure
out which file you need" is= now archaic. The new thing is A Big
Button that you press that defaults= to the "right" file for you, and a
small "other versions= " link. See eg firefo= x.com.

Also, one normally skips to the end to get the latest ver= sion, but on
ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/windows, "emacs-25.1-2" sorts b= efore "emacs-25.1",
which doesn't help.

Perhaps MS Wind= ows users are additionally confused to not get an .exe
file that they Ju= st Click to start installing. There's a 200 line README
file that explai= ns what to do, but no-one reads the README. :)

 

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