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Mon, 8 Jan 2024 15:06:56 -0500 (EST) Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <83y1czpplo.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:277579 Archived-At: On 08/01/2024 21:55, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2024 20:57:13 +0200 >> Cc:68246@debbugs.gnu.org,casouri@gmail.com,joaotavora@gmail.com >> From: Dmitry Gutov >> >> Even if we call non-file-visiting buffers' contents "languages", I don't >> think anyone will have a heart attack or something. > "No heart attack" is a poor criterion for good parameterization and > consistent terminology. Confusing terms will spread confusion and > bugs. There's no reason for us to settle for sub-optimal terminology. > >> E.g., for example, we have message-mode, but if we wanted to support >> alternatives, we could call the base "email-message". Or for different >> major modes to edit VC commit messages, we could call the language >> "vc-log-message". > Those are not "languages", so let's not call them that. I'm not married to the term (have there been alternatives suggested?), but I do believe that having a notion distinct from "major modes" would bring more clarity in this area.