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Mon, 11 May 2020 16:18:11 +0000 Original-Received: from pps.filterd (aserp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 04BGCR5o186150; Mon, 11 May 2020 16:18:11 GMT Original-Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by aserp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 30xbgev3g6-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 May 2020 16:18:10 +0000 Original-Received: from abhmp0015.oracle.com (abhmp0015.oracle.com [141.146.116.21]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 04BGI8jx009050; Mon, 11 May 2020 16:18:08 GMT In-Reply-To: <87eerrvxun.fsf@web.de> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4993.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9618 signatures=668687 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 adultscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 mlxscore=0 malwarescore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2003020000 definitions=main-2005110127 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9618 signatures=668687 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 adultscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 clxscore=1015 spamscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 malwarescore=0 priorityscore=1501 mlxscore=0 suspectscore=0 impostorscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2003020000 definitions=main-2005110127 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:180071 Archived-At: > > IOW, explicitly say that toggling applies to `*' marks. >=20 > Yes, exactly. >=20 > > > But the inconsistency goes much further, we say that commands > > > operate on the "marked" files, but we mean only the *-marked files. > > I mean commands, like >=20 > dired-do-delete is an interactive compiled Lisp function in > `dired.el'. [...] >=20 > Delete all marked (or next ARG) files. >=20 > It doesn't say *-marked. "Marked" typically means *-marked most of the > time. You're absolutely right. The fix for this bug could usefully be to correct the doc of any command that acts only on `*' marks but says it acts on "marks". Doc that says that a command acts on "marks" should be only for a command that acts on all marks. Doc for a command that acts only on certain marks should say so. > > > (the term "marker character" is already used in the manual.) > > > > FWIW I don't understand why you added that part > > in parens to your message. >=20 > I only wanted to make clear that it's not a new term but one users that > read the manual are familiar with. And it's maybe less misguiding than > "flag" (personally I could also live with just "character", since marks > are really just that). I don't see the connection. "Flag" has specifically been used only for `D', the mark for deletion. ?D is the marker character for the mark (flag) `D'. ?D is a character. A visual `D' mark in the buffer is, yes, created by putting a ?D character in the mark position. But that's a nit. If what you're suggesting is that the doc not speak of "flag `D'" but speak instead of "marker character ?D" or "marker character D" then I understand. Is that it? That's OK by me, provided the same is done everywhere, for each mark: "marker character C" etc. I don't think that's really helpful - it seems overly verbose and makes reading more cumbersome. But if others feel it's an improvement, fine. My concern here is that Emacs be consistent in its explanations and terminology. Another concern is that things be clear and easy to understand.