From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#43636: 28.0.50; About Emacs, shall be descriptive and point to Info file Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 22:39:48 +0200 Message-ID: Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="29234"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: 43636@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 26 22:40:11 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kMGzL-0007WP-57 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 22:40:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50214 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kMGzK-0002E6-6x for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 16:40:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53676) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kMGzD-0002Dw-0v for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 16:40:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:36274) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kMGzC-0002ZO-5p for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 16:40:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kMGzB-0008Eq-VJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 16:40:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Jean Louis Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 20:40:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 43636 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.160115280031654 (code B ref -1); Sat, 26 Sep 2020 20:40:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Sep 2020 20:40:00 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47820 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kMGz9-0008EU-PT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 16:39:59 -0400 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:44876) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kMGz8-0008EM-97 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 16:39:58 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53674) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kMGz8-0002Di-0R for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 16:39:58 -0400 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:39663) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kMGz6-0002XD-0Z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 16:39:57 -0400 Original-Received: from protected.rcdrun.com ([::ffff:197.239.40.117]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1) by stw1.rcdrun.com with UTF8ESMTPSA id 0000000000081F4E.000000005F6FA719.00000AA8; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 13:39:53 -0700 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (uid 1001) by protected.rcdrun.com with local id 00000000000C2378.000000005F6FA714.00005079; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 22:39:48 +0200 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=admin@protected.rcdrun.com; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/26 12:02:28 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:189071 Archived-At: I do not agree that the menu option under Help -> About Emacs is giving meaningful information to user: This is GNU Emacs, one component of the GNU/Linux operating system. GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 15, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit, cairo version 1.14.8, Xaw3d scroll bars) of 2020-09-24 Copyright (C) 2020 Free Software Foundation, Inc. To follow a link, click Mouse-1 on it, or move to it and type RET. Authors Many people have contributed code included in GNU Emacs Contributing How to report bugs and contribute improvements to Emacs GNU and Freedom Why we developed GNU Emacs and the GNU system Absence of Warranty GNU Emacs comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY Copying Conditions Conditions for redistributing and changing Emacs Getting New Versions How to get the latest version of GNU Emacs More Manuals / Ordering Manuals Buying printed manuals from the FSF One basic example is that the page does not tell to user that Emacs is editor. So the "About Emacs" is not straight to the point to tell what Emacs is. For example if I open Gnumeric -> Help -> Info I can see it is spreadsheet, as it is written, so it is with many applications. With Emacs, it is not even written that it is text editor. This statement may appeal strange to developer, please assume viewpoint of a beginning user or just somebody who finds application on a screen in computer club or Internet point, and wish to find about it. It should not be realization after reading many pages, it should be written that it is for text editing.