From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bell instead Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 07:27:25 +0000 Message-ID: References: <87blabpy54.fsf@gnus.org> <0d7924a2-d09f-e2d0-f0e7-6b5ee3a7a7f2@yandex.ru> <192e82f20f5deb690394@heytings.org> <87zgxmjkr9.fsf@gnus.org> <874kfs3585.fsf@gnus.org> <87v987z53l.fsf@gnus.org> <8fba78a42ee78011f182@heytings.org> <80b9aa43-9924-ae07-df60-87dde8c17378@yandex.ru> <83k0okcqgg.fsf@gnu.org> <83h7jockv2.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="8095"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: alan@idiocy.org, 1305@debbugs.gnu.org, mwd@md5i.com, stefan@marxist.se, jasonspiro4@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, dgutov@yandex.ru, larsi@gnus.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 30 09:38:06 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lcNiv-00020U-5w for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 09:38:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39206 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lcNiu-0001up-7K for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 03:38:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55140) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lcNZC-0000WJ-5C for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 03:28:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:45837) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lcNZB-0000y9-Tp for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 03:28:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lcNZB-0003ub-Pn for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 03:28:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Gregory Heytings Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 07:28:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1305 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 1305-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B1305.161976764814991 (code B ref 1305); Fri, 30 Apr 2021 07:28:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1305) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Apr 2021 07:27:28 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57383 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lcNYe-0003ti-Ld for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 03:27:28 -0400 Original-Received: from heytings.org ([95.142.160.155]:59092) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lcNYc-0003ta-Rn for 1305@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 03:27:27 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heytings.org; s=20210101; t=1619767645; bh=4PRx2v9WK4Lg07s8bmMcr6EweE8JWot0BxbTptvamOQ=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:From; b=nAleuYr87pL6AHVuBfHpmYU+wSmtGxJu17CckMeGqh3X1Xw8CSTDhQuSAYB2YRN9n iw1AgEQxz91RIRkXXRVvb1dTBQLcSL+m1gZKOsW6G9FCdIuGFvc9ppRwFklIqtXe26 B9yqzl6+l4yW4ZZYwHRJg1TI6IMl7kX3iDxvVZMBxILOpyMUZfuJSbwTUN0hb1RhnL LhULxnUALW1MNVhceyrahQRQYA6Z353fq59MlxijePWtBDfkAjWzUH7mMu33QoKmvu bHqSn/tlB3+EfsFCyfqs2Y+hS/DgHVGCe6ftS6G3CD/yolaJR5aQHtFDG4R6gpx0lg FpTTOP/vioOfw== In-Reply-To: <83h7jockv2.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:205228 Archived-At: >> Yes, "flash" is perhaps not the best word here, perhaps "vibrate" is >> better. > > That word still doesn't tell me what you think happens. Can you > describe in more detail what exactly you see, and on which version of > MS-Windows? > Windows 10. I don't know how to describe this better than with the words "flash" or "vibrate", so I looked at the docs: "Flashing a window means changing the appearance of its caption bar as if the window were changing from inactive to active status, or vice versa. [...] Typically, a window is flashed to inform the user that the window requires attention but that it does not currently have the keyboard focus." [1] [1] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/api/winuser/nf-winuser-flashwindow But even that doesn't describe the effect accurately, the feeling I have is closer to "the frame briefly vibrates". As I said, I use Windows only rarely, so my feeling is perhaps not right.