From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bell instead Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 23:19:20 +0000 Message-ID: References: <87blabpy54.fsf@gnus.org> <0d7924a2-d09f-e2d0-f0e7-6b5ee3a7a7f2@yandex.ru> <192e82f20f5deb690394@heytings.org> <87zgxmjkr9.fsf@gnus.org> <874kfs3585.fsf@gnus.org> <87v987z53l.fsf@gnus.org> <8fba78a42ee78011f182@heytings.org> <80b9aa43-9924-ae07-df60-87dde8c17378@yandex.ru> <8fba78a42eb8bd480d61@heytings.org> <3a17b49f-2a5c-42b6-4375-7544b67fd471@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3677"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Alan Third , 1305@debbugs.gnu.org, Michael Welsh Duggan , Stefan Kangas , jasonspiro4@gmail.com, Stefan Monnier , Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat May 01 01:20:11 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lccQd-0000oT-2Q for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 01 May 2021 01:20:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38998 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lccQc-0004Z1-4Y for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 19:20:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59560) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lccQU-0004Ys-3t for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 19:20:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:48452) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lccQT-0004OZ-SK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 19:20:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lccQT-0005UM-Mv for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 19:20:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Gregory Heytings Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 23:20:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1305 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 1305-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B1305.161982476521055 (code B ref 1305); Fri, 30 Apr 2021 23:20:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1305) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Apr 2021 23:19:25 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59998 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lccPt-0005TW-A6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 19:19:25 -0400 Original-Received: from heytings.org ([95.142.160.155]:60284) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lccPq-0005TN-SX for 1305@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 19:19:23 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heytings.org; s=20210101; t=1619824761; bh=GqHL/2ew9itzBo7nVCyL+KCxDczLAlvSHwV3kU1HATY=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:From; b=NhgFZXTMzTmwhrHRQArx6e+joAeby+uIR4Mx6LCThmZUBRI8cFFAxs56b/4Uiai4Q zeJHrOTcg3CSZfqVLraQh7AisJ/BLXdd9WihOO4CH2KkcNi8PhSCRIx0wBGPGtEXL6 CCP/N4F5gNcXwC8Hmfkqs/kT5+dRjdXvCKRliuLOp3smq1qRfxafzoYj5zRpJoC8vy fUiX7Dv2RG/rD5Z0XZx2siLP6eBiotPgoIICr8O2XwNMpA4+lTzT/53RPdmJg8OOqH MSZLMMLhUKSd75pDMAaGv8EMcZxmxZk8nFz1jSa57nFmJfQ+vWdla6j/fYRpxwusGA ANGJtmeqKTJhw== In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:205304 Archived-At: >> And AFAICS this is also what most popular starter kits do. So at least >> to me it's not clear whether it is widely used. > > better-defaults is an old project which has been there for at least a > decade in some form (and has a fair amount of stars on its archived > repository on github: https://github.com/technomancy/better-defaults). > It's the original "emacs starter kit". > Amusingly, it's the only "better default" that isn't described in the README, and against which there's a open issue: https://github.com/technomancy/better-defaults/issues/27 . > > A moving reddish shape should bring enough attention, but of course > different users have different levels of sensitivity (as the discussion > in bug#47574 has shown). Only a practical experiment can tell. > Moving??? Why do you think this would be better than simply blinking the echo area?