From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bell instead Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 07:09:45 +0000 Message-ID: References: <87blabpy54.fsf@gnus.org> <0d7924a2-d09f-e2d0-f0e7-6b5ee3a7a7f2@yandex.ru> <192e82f20f5deb690394@heytings.org> <87zgxmjkr9.fsf@gnus.org> <874kfs3585.fsf@gnus.org> <87v987z53l.fsf@gnus.org> <8fba78a42ee78011f182@heytings.org> <80b9aa43-9924-ae07-df60-87dde8c17378@yandex.ru> <8fba78a42eb8bd480d61@heytings.org> <3a17b49f-2a5c-42b6-4375-7544b67fd471@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="4etuyLLz2s" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="6440"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Alan Third , 1305@debbugs.gnu.org, Michael Welsh Duggan , Stefan Kangas , jasonspiro4@gmail.com, Stefan Monnier , Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 30 09:10:41 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lcNIO-0001ZE-7V for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 09:10:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57378 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lcNIN-0006tl-6w for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 03:10:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52006) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lcNHm-0006rY-5E for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 03:10:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:45814) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lcNHl-00070F-R0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 03:10:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lcNHl-0003TF-MQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 03:10:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Gregory Heytings Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 07:10:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1305 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 1305-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B1305.161976659013320 (code B ref 1305); Fri, 30 Apr 2021 07:10:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1305) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Apr 2021 07:09:50 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57360 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lcNHa-0003Sl-51 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 03:09:50 -0400 Original-Received: from heytings.org ([95.142.160.155]:59028) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lcNHX-0003Sa-BW for 1305@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 03:09:48 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heytings.org; s=20210101; t=1619766586; bh=doPhvGIO1WqLd5G8vX5ZmUkPf/L5m3oGP/T30fZ1lK0=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:From; b=NTZ+k6rt8quPLZKzs5Zx7o6erzelRRgnC4vk9LwU4ouCQ5cfi1Ywsar44v2hXjA24 /54u9fp1GGQWJ3YSchmRcFozaqzzJ4Cnn4ruhbWWK98WlDzjIN1pkan90yziKsB5tA od1jTGKCV+iu6YdltZf4aWCNaDSNkuJNtu7KbFgkkJI03zKBMCLZfKYZv/7R90364T waw2E6qjztTvp31JE0qqkfoRkHhREe9ZzEeOoyYxXK0UG8wh8YC0Ntjmo7b2MVuxQI xAKlh3+lR13bvaDJ45TaodkenqcNX7+9r3wSUBiuXfwg1+o1++o5f19xQcrcpJR4cV B8Nt5Cf2srszg== In-Reply-To: <3a17b49f-2a5c-42b6-4375-7544b67fd471@yandex.ru> Content-ID: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:205225 Archived-At: --4etuyLLz2s Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-ID: > > Fair enough. Still, it's more "proven" that yours, so to speak. > I don't know what you mean by "proven", but I never activated that visible= =20 bell before this discussion started, like Lars I just disabled the bell=20 altogether. And AFAICS this is also what most popular starter kits do.=20 So at least to me it's not clear whether it is widely used. > > I don't mind putting it to the vote sometime, here or some other place. > I'd be very surprised if people voted for that, but indeed a vote is=20 probably the best way to decide between the two. >> Using inverse-video also creates extra colors, unless your frame=20 >> happens to display only black on white or white on black elements on=20 >> the first and last line.=C2=A0 Moreover with my patch the colors are ful= ly=20 >> configurable, so you can adapt them to your theme. > > It uses only the colors that are already there, though. Just in inverse. > Which means "new colors". Of course from a logical viewpoint this is=20 "just in inverse", but flashing a brown on white text in green on black,=20 or a blue on white text in yellow on black, does create new colors that=20 weren't there. It's like photo negatives, the colors you see are not "the= =20 colors that were there". > > But it would be interesting to try some icon-based animation in the echo= =20 > area, like the red circle on VSCode's pic. > You mean, displaying such a red circle before the error message in the=20 echo area? Not sure that would be visible enough. --4etuyLLz2s--