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From: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
Cc: 58472@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#58472: [PATCH] Make `message-unique-id' less prone to collisions
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2022 09:21:05 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <caa7d03f-68e4-7c24-80c7-e272c456f733@cs.ucla.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADwFkmm5A6zbx4=ZSrhcmPjcOR+CT=tRU2fTac-L6XVLLXQdBQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 2022-10-12 19:46, Stefan Kangas wrote:

> The main goal is to avoid collisions, but using the time also gives an
> idea of when the message was sent, which is kind of nice.

That info is in the Date: line, along with zillions of other Received: 
lines. There should be no need to repeat it in the Message-ID line.

> Time also
> guarantees a somewhat unique value even if the user has happened to set
> the random seed.

If that's a concern, we should be using more-random data, e.g., with

    (base64-encode-string
     (secure-hash 'md5 'iv-auto 128 nil t))

if we want 128 bits of randomness (this yields a string like 
"B8a3usyu5QSE/rTLu0nIHg==").

As an aside, it's weird that there's no easy way to ask Emacs for an 
N-bit random integer, where the randomness is taken from system entropy. 
Shouldn't we extend Emacs to support that? E.g., (make-string 128 
'iv-auto) could give you an N-byte entropy-derived random string, or 
(random -N) could give you an N-bit entropy-derived random nonnegative 
integer, or something like that. Then we could write something like this:

   (base64-encode-string (make-string 16 'iv-auto))

to get a Message-ID component with 16 bytes (128 bits) of entropy.






  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-10-13 16:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-10-12 16:07 bug#58472: [PATCH] Make `message-unique-id' less prone to collisions Stefan Kangas
2022-10-12 18:08 ` Paul Eggert
2022-10-13  2:46   ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-13  4:53     ` Matt Armstrong
2022-10-13 12:10       ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-13 16:35         ` Matt Armstrong
2022-10-13 16:38           ` Paul Eggert
2022-10-14  9:22           ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-13 16:21     ` Paul Eggert [this message]
2022-10-14  9:22       ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-16  7:32         ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-16 17:05           ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-16 15:19       ` Matt Armstrong
2022-10-16 16:49         ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-17  6:17           ` Matt Armstrong
2022-10-17  7:30           ` Paul Eggert
2022-10-17  8:14             ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-17  8:23               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-17 18:47               ` Matt Armstrong
2022-10-17  8:16             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-17  8:29               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-17  8:34                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-17  9:30                 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-17 11:22                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-17 15:40                     ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-25  1:26                       ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-17 18:40             ` Matt Armstrong
2022-10-18  1:38               ` Paul Eggert
2022-10-18 14:05                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-13 11:45 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-13 12:10   ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-13 19:15     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen

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