From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#25627: 25.1; `help-make-xrefs' loads `cl-extra.el' now Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2017 21:40:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: References: <82c8d359-fd05-4bff-9dba-29d2738d435d@default> <87d1euolzv.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <5f457952-82ca-4a77-8061-1b2e366fcfb2@default> <3abd0b72-e875-4c07-bdc2-4aa62de2c55e@default> <0c0b574f-880d-4b99-9e14-6c4b29cab1f4@default> <87a89xo376.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <6cb3cd2a-e972-4542-b85a-7c3d0f18e097@default> <87y3xhmg9f.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1486532529 3318 195.159.176.226 (8 Feb 2017 05:42:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2017 05:42:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Philipp Stephani , 25627@debbugs.gnu.org To: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 08 06:42:05 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cbL13-0000f2-6C for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2017 06:42:05 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57820 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cbL18-0004K9-Ry for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2017 00:42:10 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51593) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cbL13-0004Jt-8j for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2017 00:42:06 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cbL10-0005NA-7S for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2017 00:42:05 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:33141) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cbL10-0005Mz-43 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2017 00:42:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cbL0z-0005Mv-QM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2017 00:42:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2017 05:42:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 25627 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug Original-Received: via spool by 25627-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B25627.148653246320570 (code B ref 25627); Wed, 08 Feb 2017 05:42:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 25627) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Feb 2017 05:41:03 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59572 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cbL02-0005Li-Pk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2017 00:41:02 -0500 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:31252) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cbL01-0005L6-A9 for 25627@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2017 00:41:01 -0500 Original-Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id v185esfi029613 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2017 05:40:54 GMT Original-Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v185erJU008288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2017 05:40:54 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0004.oracle.com (abhmp0004.oracle.com [141.146.116.10]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v185erVs029824; Wed, 8 Feb 2017 05:40:53 GMT In-Reply-To: <87y3xhmg9f.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:129116 Archived-At: > >> > Why don't more (even most) of the files distributed with > >> > Emacs have this variable set (to non-nil)? > >> > >> Loading functions one by one can be slower than loading them all at > >> once. Some justification would be needed for adding this (e.g., if a > >> file contains many independent functions that would usually be used in > >> isolation). > > > > Yes, I read that. A guess would be that that would be the case > > for many more files than the few that use it now. > > > > Files could also be split, to factor out functions for which > > that is true. >=20 > Possibly, but I would guess the benefits of doing this would be rather > tiny. I mean, the best we can hope for is to save a few hundred > kilobytes of RAM, right? Why is it more important for (all of) the files where it has been done than for other libraries where there are multiple, essentially independent pieces (including independent commands)? What about things like org, calc, gnus? If it helps to do it to something like calendar, an (uninformed) guess would say it might help to do it to libraries like those. Org, in particular, has lots of different kinds of stuff in it. I'd imagine there are bits that are relatively independent. Just guessing.