From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Jason A. Spiro" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#4962: Please include tour parts 2 and 3, and the slideshow version of tour part 1, on your website Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:31:34 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: "Jason A. 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Original-Received: from mail-pz0-f180.google.com (mail-pz0-f180.google.com [209.85.222.180]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nAKLVxR9026341 for <4962@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:32:00 -0800 Original-Received: by pzk10 with SMTP id 10so2404701pzk.19 for <4962@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:31:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=k4svp7VoPji+zd1cspFwoUHHgJBkxoGD4/XBa5v8a3E=; b=eNFsWEhC2lrOaBjIoHcqtm6IcZFt7HSudS1lLsnr9f5ZbP6HJW7+qi9T8LE8rSLRTp 8GJnsx/6Niabgjzzd8Lu9mAUdBq+jbihpffA67+JTgFIuhymJQzoQ/CfP5mDEBVzvpot tqIwXp/IWWCw7rYUsWAwrJvF+by/iTTOO3Sh8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; b=qUCrqGTlPG9KqEUKXNi0jogr2r7diV9emo3AeQWGj+Nwg5RJMSYlCyoRc+1VGl13+m fdsofzOWphEd5QlTYfsSC27ETGRMteq7wFSPhBZSa9aHQRvvASX0dYblddS1O7ig9p/q a3vEZbGtUyorrsU8HPeifbBlOBI6jYJJtqGAY= Original-Received: by 10.141.42.3 with SMTP id u3mr134913rvj.107.1258752714058; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:31:54 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0699f93ac43d9956 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:47:30 -0500 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:32786 Archived-At: On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 7:02 PM, Phil Sung wrote: > Hi Jason, > > [I'm not sure that debbugs has processed your original email yet, but > I will repost this message when it has.] A Google phrase search for a phrase from the bug shows that it processed the mail. But I never got an acknowledgement in my inbox, not even in the spam filter. I forwarded your original reply to 4962 at emacsbugs dot donarmstrong dot com, and now I am replying to it. > As an aside, thanks for your efforts in thinking about how we can > smooth out the learning curve for new Emacs users! I think this is > really important and often neglected. I'm glad to help. Thank you for *your* efforts in teaching Emacs; I like your slides a lot, and part one is even better now that you've redone it in S5 (HTML slideshow) format so that it's easier to view. (Can OpenOffice.org export the old parts two and three to s5 format?) > I prefer the current layout because casual/uncommitted visitors to the > web site can immediately read something (ever so slightly...) engaging > and useful rather than having to make a decision. Good point. Maybe we should show some pre-chosen version of part 1 right away. Parts 2 and 3 are about Lisp. It doesn't really matter if they're available at gnu.org: the more important thing is that they're available on Emacs' help menu. See By the way, IMO there's no need to be overly humble. Be assertive. Make a decision about if you like the slides. If you like them, don't call them "slightly useful". Instead, call them "useful". :) > (I think the prose version is actually more accessible, despite being > longer. It's more easily skimmed/searched and has lots of context that > is elided from the slide versions.) I agree that it has more content. > If others agree that the slides fill a needed niche (myself, I am > indifferent), perhaps something like the following would be good: > 1. Add a link to part1.html in a sidebar of the current tour page. > 2. Add the other slides somewhere else, e.g. whereve we have > elisp-related resources right now. Additionally, mention them in the > "resources" section at the end of the tour. > > What do you think? I think the slides are easier to skim, so you can read the slides you want and pass over the ones you don't. What if someone (not me) would volunteer to produce some combination of all the slides, plus all the prose? I think that would be ideal. For example, each slide on the left, then prose to its right. What do you think? Is it likely that there exists any presentation software which will let me copy and paste the text from the prose tour into a "speaker notes" or "text" area below each slide, then can automatically export a slides-and-notes HTML file? Can OpenOffice.org Impress do it? KPresenter? Gnome Office's presentation tool, if one exists? Microsoft Office?