From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Jason A. Spiro" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs,gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs Subject: bug#4980: 23.1.50; In File > Quit GUI, add "Cancel", write "Save", and simplify Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:05:27 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: "Jason A. 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Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nAJN5pk1025046 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:05:52 -0800 Original-Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:46637 helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1NBG4U-00062S-Sq for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:05:50 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NBG4S-0007KL-FE for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:05:50 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-px0-f192.google.com ([209.85.216.192]:36411) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NBG4S-0007KF-1R for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:05:48 -0500 Original-Received: by pxi30 with SMTP id 30so1803253pxi.14 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:05:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=yB70F3LBYKdmoqJ915IfwPAWQdHdbGxpiOAATpFtLaY=; b=fbwo4bmhqI/hMjXPJgqhOU0+ND4vyceacM76oIA8pAH+Tcw1+CJZXGAwwvEJz2FCQz ElhKup3CgFBh/ihPMqe2mL7k4ABia1KouaIlob1HxAwbsMjvIifMo5GimbBY9lyWjNE7 YXU5wQfFhjRjbo6ffmLMGIWLYYhuymF9vRCIg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; b=IFBdrQi/GkwSqapMB3HjEhylFuEJxateP+fcGQdy3rlgmCqK+rt89JiNz4U5JKXMgk OT2HWc/8lwVppRd0MRnrRDZDc95+JloiZ3ROp6AJiOy8O5PWGFG4vQyMKJ+GNAVQYubv vwlXFpXQZ33389IOT+olPLgJ4pjGM7KSG+0JM= Original-Received: by 10.140.161.3 with SMTP id j3mr46092rve.27.1258671947234; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:05:47 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1ff455df143fe07a X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:27:30 -0500 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:32736 gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs:25213 Archived-At: When I try to quit Emacs by clicking File > Quit, I see seven choices: ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( Save file foo.txt? * Yes * No * View This Buffer * View Changes In This Buffer * Save This But No More * Save All Buffers * No For All ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) 1. As dak wrote in 2008 at http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/65537/focus=100634 there's no Cancel button. "Closing the dialog window happens to achieve that ... but it is not really obvious." Please add a Cancel button. 2. For the first choice, instead of writing "Yes", write "Save". Usability researchers have found that action verbs are always better when a list of choices is provided. I can explain why if you require it. 3. The seven choices act as a confusing way to ask me which files to save. Instead, as Joshua Juran suggested to me in Freenode #macdev, you should use a dialog box like "gedit" uses ( screenshot at http://omploader.org/vMnQzaw ; download gedit for Windows / Mac at http://projects.gnome.org/gedit/ ): ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( [!] There are 2 document(s) with unsaved changes. Save before closing? Select the documents you want to save: | [x] foo.txt | | [x] bar.txt | | | | | If you don't save, your changes will be lost. ________ ______ [ Close &without Saving ] [ &Cancel ] [________&Save______] ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) Don't offer view-buffer or view-changes choices in a GUI. You see, a GUI should be simple instead of listing every possible choice the user might conceivably want. If the user wants to do so, they can click Cancel then do so themselves.