From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Jason Spiro" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bellinstead Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:50:01 -0500 Message-ID: References: <009901c9421f$5bd0a6b0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <00ad01c942a0$1f49ca60$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> Reply-To: Jason Spiro , 1305@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1226430668 17316 80.91.229.12 (11 Nov 2008 19:11:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:11:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com, bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, 1305@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 11 20:12:06 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Kzye5-00077l-Ck for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Stallman wrote: > For changes like this, you should poll the users, with a poll > announced at least on info-gnu-emacs and help-gnu-emacs. > > To get the most useful information in return, it is important to ask > them to state the reasons for their preference, rather than simply to > "vote". We should poll for which change? Surely removing beeping from the trivial things like: * quit (C-g), and * moving the point off the end of the buffer, and * failing isearches should not require a poll. Also, I think email polls are imperfect, since they drastically increase list traffic. IMO a better alternative is to create a page on EmacsWiki and to ask people to add their Support or Oppose votes, with explanations, to a new paragraph at the bottom of the page, or in rebuttal to (and just below, but indented from) an existing paragraph. Then they should sign it with their name. Kinda like http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Non-administrator_rollback/Poll except that Support and Oppose votes will be interleaved with each other. Also, I think you should make it clear that you will not be bound by the results, but that you will take them into consideration.