From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#25357: 25.1; Doc for `cursor-sensor-mode' (and modes generally) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 06:50:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: References: <<9ad8b225-73da-4533-a676-b0f8e84e54ca@default>> <> <> <> <> <<878tqq5fw2.fsf@users.sourceforge.net>> <<678f8299-e6e8-4b08-a412-bf367194f6d7@default>> <<87a8b44z72.fsf@users.sourceforge.net>> <> <<83lguod3i4.fsf@gnu.org>> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1483714284 2973 195.159.176.226 (6 Jan 2017 14:51:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 14:51:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 25357@debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@users.sourceforge.net To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 06 15:51:17 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cPVrJ-0007Pr-Nw for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2017 15:51:09 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53190 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cPVrM-0003D7-DR for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2017 09:51:12 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60301) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cPVrG-0003Cp-JN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2017 09:51:07 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cPVrC-000520-MY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2017 09:51:06 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:57428) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cPVrC-00051w-Jb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2017 09:51:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cPVrC-0004Tc-DA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2017 09:51:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2017 14:51:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 25357 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 25357-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B25357.148371423317168 (code B ref 25357); Fri, 06 Jan 2017 14:51:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 25357) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jan 2017 14:50:33 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44594 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cPVqi-0004Sq-Oi for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2017 09:50:32 -0500 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:30487) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cPVqg-0004Sb-SK for 25357@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2017 09:50:31 -0500 Original-Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id v06EoNlN031672 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2017 14:50:23 GMT Original-Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v06EoMnO030100 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2017 14:50:22 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0003.oracle.com (abhmp0003.oracle.com [141.146.116.9]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v06EoLrD009649; Fri, 6 Jan 2017 14:50:21 GMT In-Reply-To: <<83lguod3i4.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:127839 Archived-At: > > Yes, of course. But I don't think it is obvious to some > > who read the _Emacs_ manual how they might turn on a major > > mode using Lisp. >=20 > People who write Lisp should read the ELisp manual, and expect issues > related to Lisp to be covered there. The user manual is not the right > place for that. Did you read the part about this also not being explicitly spelled out in the Elisp manual? And about it being OK to just link to that (missing) part from the Emacs manual. It's clear to me that at least some users have been confused about how to "turn on" a major mode using Lisp. Sure, we can cop out and say they haven't studied the Elisp manual well enough... I think we can help them more. And I think that, so far, the doc (including doc strings) is not as helpful as it could be wrt using minor and major modes from Lisp.