From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bell instead Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 13:16:00 +0000 Message-ID: References: <87eef9qg81.fsf@gnus.org> <1869622e162377be79e9@heytings.org> <83bladw0dh.fsf@gnu.org> <87a6pxqdeg.fsf@gnus.org> <875z0lqcj4.fsf@gnus.org> <1869622e1602a39e56a6@heytings.org> <87a6pwvcrv.fsf@md5i.com> <1869622e165c625e097b@heytings.org> <874kg4vast.fsf@md5i.com> <1869622e166ad3c37a69@heytings.org> <87k0ozq3n8.fsf@gnus.org> <87blabpy54.fsf@gnus.org> <87lf9eo3mq.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="38535"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 1305@debbugs.gnu.org, Michael Welsh Duggan , Stefan Kangas , jasonspiro4@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 19 15:17:15 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lYTm6-0009sE-Iu for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 15:17:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59576 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lYTm5-0006ZD-KA for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 09:17:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45158) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lYTlu-0006Yt-4a for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 09:17:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:37224) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lYTlt-0004pR-TL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 09:17:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lYTlt-0006eN-Ng for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 09:17:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Gregory Heytings Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 13:17:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1305 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 1305-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B1305.161883816723319 (code B ref 1305); Mon, 19 Apr 2021 13:17:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1305) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Apr 2021 13:16:07 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48770 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lYTl1-00063r-BP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 09:16:07 -0400 Original-Received: from heytings.org ([95.142.160.155]:44662) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lYTkw-0005zF-98 for 1305@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 09:16:06 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heytings.org; s=20210101; t=1618838161; bh=dINfDsDfgdewT0L4f66jqxXGA0AHWjxTqcLrRVHiFYk=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:From; b=BKvvXl1kUjJMJXSC8f1lVTXe8zziSe18zsb5W8pKUecLYNhvR3BEcyCkAggJmUdux OHjr4OoaaUgcZ7+BE1mqq8xsxLcI3YnFHhn+vOJrl/KG3xPfgg7YIfnbqjKwih6eUA ngksHdPAUsSd5sbjFEJsXcmd504MZbVsC+ykbvngLuKhlR3SGBBIXO789T6b6QycUV DnloZFNG0Z50/dOKQfxwpv/sjOIAzhiD4u+wI28jbI/QKTQecBxhE/c30wMONG10AS uC7BkcZ9L7n8f91KGVyncCdUGu2/WMtryaMw5wjE0U9LPM0Ev/wAftYQ7Y9iqJRj6w DU/MQ6ZxL9HRQ== In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:204446 Archived-At: > > 'match' for purposes other than matching? > Why not? That would be only a default value, to call the user's attention that the reason of the error is displayed there. IMO using yellow for that purpose is much better than green (highlight face). > > And speaking of 'error', seeing red is most likely more obtrusive than > the current GNU/Linux behavior. > Do you really mean that seeing the cursor becoming red during 0.25 seconds is obtrusive? The current GNU/Linux default behavior is (for those who use Gnome or KDE and have not disabled the system bell) to ring the system bell (typically during 0.5 seconds). That's IMO far more obtrusive (in particular for your colleagues!) than seeing the cursor becoming red and the echo area flashing during a fourth of a second. > > The huge exclamation icon, is that the one? Looks too much indeed. > Yes, that's the one. And yes, that's too much.