From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#28182: bug#39847: Document how users can make text-zoom keys same as browser Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 12:24:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: References: <877e05hu32.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <835zfoeoar.fsf@gnu.org> <87pndt43ie.fsf@stefankangas.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="2557"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 39847@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 03 21:27:14 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1j9E8H-0000Yk-E3 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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Tue, 3 Mar 2020 20:24:31 GMT Original-Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by aserp3030.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2yg1gy6p9f-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 03 Mar 2020 20:24:31 +0000 Original-Received: from abhmp0020.oracle.com (abhmp0020.oracle.com [141.146.116.26]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id 023KOTGu020754; Tue, 3 Mar 2020 20:24:29 GMT In-Reply-To: <87pndt43ie.fsf@stefankangas.se> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4966.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9549 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 adultscore=0 phishscore=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 mlxlogscore=806 mlxscore=0 spamscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2001150001 definitions=main-2003030130 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9549 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 lowpriorityscore=0 spamscore=0 impostorscore=0 malwarescore=0 mlxlogscore=848 mlxscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 clxscore=1011 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 priorityscore=1501 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2001150001 definitions=main-2003030130 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:176811 Archived-At: > >> I also wished that C-+ and C-- would scale > >> the screen, just a few months ago. > >> > >> Perhaps we don't need C-- to make the argument negative. > >> Perhaps it is enough that M-- does that. > > > > My preference would be against doing that. > > It's true that `M--' does the same thing - > > so we may not _need_ `C--'. But Control > > is very handy for prefix args. >=20 > I suggest binding this to s-- and s-+. Would that be an acceptable > compromise? It would be backwards compatible, and these keys are > currently unbound. If you're asking me, then my answer is no. I don't see how it would be a compromise (at all), and I don't see how it would be backward compatible. How so? My reasons against this proposal: 1. It doesn't help with the argument currently being given, which is that users are used to `C-+/-'. `s-+/-' doesn't help at all, given such a habit, does it? 2. We already have `C-x +/-'. Why would we need or want two such sets of keys, by default? 3. Given the choice (if we were to pick only one) between `C-x +/-' and `s-+/-', the former is better, IMO: a. It's been the default binding for a long time; Emacs users are already used to it. b. Some platforms may not have a `Super' modifier key, by default. c. Using a repeatable key (`+/-') that's on a prefix key doesn't waste a repeatable key that's not on a prefix key. IOW, if on a prefix key, `+/-' remains available without the prefix key, for some other repeatable action (by "repeatable", here, I mean by just holding down a key). d. If `+/-' is on keymap `ctl-x-map' then it's easy to move or copy it and the other keys on that map to another prefix key. Just one opinion.