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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se>
Cc: 39847@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, 28182@debbugs.gnu.org,
	jidanni@jidanni.org
Subject: bug#28182: bug#39847: Document how users can make text-zoom keys same as browser
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 12:24:28 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ba3e4dd4-f73b-4e1b-bb19-0ec1b1f1b21f@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87pndt43ie.fsf@stefankangas.se>

> >> I also wished that C-+ and C-- would scale
> >> the screen, just a few months ago.
> >>
> >> Perhaps we don't need C-- to make the argument negative.
> >> Perhaps it is enough that M-- does that.
> >
> > My preference would be against doing that.
> > It's true that `M--' does the same thing -
> > so we may not _need_ `C--'.  But Control
> > is very handy for prefix args.
> 
> I suggest binding this to s-- and s-+.  Would that be an acceptable
> compromise?  It would be backwards compatible, and these keys are
> currently unbound.

If you're asking me, then my answer is no.  I
don't see how it would be a compromise (at all),
and I don't see how it would be backward
compatible.  How so?

My reasons against this proposal:

1. It doesn't help with the argument currently
   being given, which is that users are used to
   `C-+/-'.  `s-+/-' doesn't help at all, given
   such a habit, does it?

2. We already have `C-x +/-'.  Why would we need
   or want two such sets of keys, by default?

3. Given the choice (if we were to pick only one)
   between `C-x +/-' and `s-+/-', the former is
   better, IMO:

   a. It's been the default binding for a long time;
      Emacs users are already used to it.
   b. Some platforms may not have a `Super' modifier
      key, by default.
   c. Using a repeatable key (`+/-') that's on a
      prefix key doesn't waste a repeatable key that's
      not on a prefix key.  IOW, if on a prefix key,
      `+/-' remains available without the prefix key,
      for some other repeatable action (by "repeatable",
      here, I mean by just holding down a key).
   d. If `+/-' is on keymap `ctl-x-map' then it's easy
      to move or copy it and the other keys on that
      map to another prefix key.

Just one opinion.





  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-03-03 20:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-02-29 23:06 bug#39847: Document how users can make text-zoom keys same as browser 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
2020-03-01  3:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-03-01  5:23   ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
2020-03-01 15:45     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-03-02  0:23       ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
2020-03-03  3:37   ` Richard Stallman
2020-03-03 15:32     ` Drew Adams
2020-03-03 16:31       ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
2020-03-03 19:55       ` Stefan Kangas
2017-08-22  3:05         ` bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
2017-08-22 12:30           ` Nathan Moreau
2017-08-22 14:30           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-23 14:16             ` Richard Stallman
2017-08-23 17:55               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-23 23:05               ` Tak Kunihiro
2017-08-23 23:23                 ` Drew Adams
2017-08-23 14:57           ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
2017-08-23 15:55             ` Drew Adams
2017-08-23 16:05           ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
2017-08-23 16:19             ` Drew Adams
2017-08-23 23:11           ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
2017-08-23 23:28             ` Drew Adams
2019-08-21  1:51           ` Stefan Kangas
2019-08-21  2:12             ` Drew Adams
2019-08-21 13:19               ` Stefan Kangas
2019-08-24 22:06                 ` Juri Linkov
2019-08-27  0:40                   ` Stefan Kangas
2019-08-27 21:13                     ` Juri Linkov
2019-09-28 13:09                       ` Stefan Kangas
2019-09-28 13:48                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-09-28 14:15                           ` Stefan Kangas
2019-09-29  1:09                             ` Richard Stallman
2019-09-29  1:40                               ` Stefan Kangas
2019-09-29  7:36                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-09-29 15:33                                   ` Richard Stallman
2019-09-29 15:40                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-09-29 15:37                                 ` Richard Stallman
2019-09-29 15:44                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-09-29 23:36                                     ` Richard Stallman
2019-09-30  3:52                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-09-30  6:16                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-09-30  9:02                                         ` Robert Pluim
2019-09-30  9:16                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-02 20:17                                             ` Alan Third
2019-09-30 14:57                                         ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-15  6:42                                           ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-15 14:15                                             ` Drew Adams
2019-10-16  3:29                                               ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-15 17:51                                             ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-16  3:27                                             ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-05 23:56                             ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-06 17:28                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-06 19:59                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-07 18:22                                   ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-08 14:56                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-08 21:58                                       ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-09  6:08                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-09 21:56                                           ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-10  7:26                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-11  0:18                                               ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-10  8:00                                             ` Robert Pluim
2019-10-11  0:24                                               ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-11  5:53                                                 ` Robert Pluim
2019-10-13 22:05                                                   ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-09 20:54                                         ` Juri Linkov
2020-03-03 20:03           ` bug#28182: bug#39847: Document how users can make text-zoom keys same as browser 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
2020-03-03 20:24         ` Drew Adams [this message]
2020-03-03 20:51           ` Stefan Kangas
2020-03-03 21:04             ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
2020-03-03 21:13             ` Drew Adams
2020-08-05 12:08         ` bug#28182: " Lars Ingebrigtsen

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