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From: Adam Porter <adam@alphapapa.net>
To: "J.P." <jp@neverwas.me>
Cc: 29108@debbugs.gnu.org, bandali@gnu.org,
	Akib Azmain Turja <akib@disroot.org>,
	emacs-erc@gnu.org
Subject: bug#29108: 25.3; ERC SASL support
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2022 19:25:27 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b9bd41a0-7563-bc1d-cb2e-33f5ddd63d67__45939.2698992573$1668129992$gmane$org@alphapapa.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87sfiq7a3j.fsf@neverwas.me>

On 11/10/22 15:50, J.P. wrote:
> Adam Porter <adam@alphapapa.net> writes:
> 
>> On 11/9/22 23:28, J.P. wrote:
>>
>>> Akib Azmain Turja <akib@disroot.org> writes:
>>
>>>> But Adam Porter (CC'ing), the maintainer of ement.el (available on GNU
>>>> ELPA), a Matrix client, claims that auth-source is from the dark side[1]
>>>> and refused to support it claiming it's not suitable for general use[2].
>>
>> Please note: I did not expect to be mentioned in this way here.  It's not my
>> intention to speak poorly of others' software, especially in public.  In the
>> Reddit post I made, I tried to be objective and show the problems clearly with
>> code examples.
> 
> That's certainly the impression I got, and I regret not having said as
> much sooner. Sorry you had to burn cycles on a dignified defense. At the
> same time, I'm hopeful folks will find the restraint to chalk this up to
> a teachable moment and attribute Akib's bit of ambush editorializing
> (something I myself have been guilty of over the years) to the angst of
> youth or a moment of weakness, both potential engines of productivity
> when channeled in a more positive direction.

Agreed, thanks.

>> And that is merely my opinion, of course, based on the shortcomings I noted
>> (e.g. the lack of API to update a secret, the undocumented error-handling
>> signals, etc).  I expect that, were I to use it in my software, I would end up
>> working around these problems and answering users' support questions about
>> them; and since I don't use it myself, either, it doesn't seem like a good
>> idea to do so.
>>
>> Nevertheless, it's clearly used by a number of people and third-party packages
>> that integrate with it, so take my opinion of it with a grain of salt.  If it
>> seems useful to you, by all means, use it.
> 
> Thanks for your work on Emacs.

Thanks for the kind words.





  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-11-11  1:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-11-01 20:07 bug#29108: 25.3; ERC SASL support Alex Branham
2017-11-10  2:24 ` Noam Postavsky
2019-10-23  9:24   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-10-23 10:34     ` Alex Branham
2019-10-23 11:19       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-10-23 12:19         ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-23 12:57           ` Noam Postavsky
2019-10-23 13:32             ` Stefan Kangas
2019-11-02 14:10         ` Stefan Kangas
2020-08-03  9:39           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-28 16:59 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-07-28 17:21   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-28 22:42   ` J.P.
2021-08-09  9:59   ` J.P.
2021-08-09 10:22     ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-08-09 10:56       ` J.P.
2021-08-09 12:39       ` J.P.
2021-08-23 13:47     ` J.P.
     [not found]     ` <87o89oi87g.fsf@neverwas.me>
2021-08-23 14:01       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
     [not found]       ` <87zgt8s1jt.fsf@gnus.org>
2021-08-24 13:42         ` J.P.
2022-09-18 18:32 ` bug#29108: [J.P.] Add "non-IRCv3" SASL to ERC J.P.
2022-09-20  6:07   ` bug#29108: 25.3; ERC SASL support J.P.
     [not found]   ` <875yhifujk.fsf_-_@neverwas.me>
2022-09-21 13:13     ` J.P.
2022-10-14  3:05       ` J.P.
     [not found]       ` <878rljxfxs.fsf@neverwas.me>
2022-10-26 13:14         ` J.P.
     [not found]         ` <87k04m4th8.fsf@neverwas.me>
2022-11-08 14:10           ` J.P.
     [not found]           ` <87o7thlepf.fsf@neverwas.me>
2022-11-09  4:08             ` Akib Azmain Turja via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-11-09 13:49               ` J.P.
     [not found]               ` <874jv81bn2.fsf@neverwas.me>
2022-11-09 17:50                 ` Akib Azmain Turja via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
     [not found]                 ` <87iljoqaor.fsf@disroot.org>
2022-11-10  5:28                   ` J.P.
     [not found]                   ` <87sfirml89.fsf@neverwas.me>
2022-11-10 18:04                     ` Adam Porter
2022-11-10 21:50                       ` J.P.
2022-11-11  5:51                       ` Akib Azmain Turja via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-11-14 22:28                         ` Adam Porter
     [not found]                       ` <87sfiq7a3j.fsf@neverwas.me>
2022-11-11  1:25                         ` Adam Porter [this message]
2022-11-11  5:56                         ` Akib Azmain Turja via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
     [not found]                         ` <878rkighkn.fsf@disroot.org>
2022-11-14 22:29                           ` Adam Porter
2022-11-13 15:36             ` J.P.
     [not found]             ` <87o7taoohd.fsf@neverwas.me>
2022-11-14  6:45               ` J.P.
2022-11-14 15:20                 ` J.P.
     [not found]                 ` <87y1sdk1fg.fsf@neverwas.me>
2022-11-16 14:51                   ` J.P.
     [not found]                   ` <875yfflzps.fsf@neverwas.me>
2022-11-17  6:30                     ` J.P.
     [not found]                     ` <877czuks8k.fsf@neverwas.me>
2022-11-17 15:28                       ` J.P.
2022-11-18  2:26                     ` J.P.
     [not found]                     ` <878rk9576b.fsf@neverwas.me>
2022-11-18 14:06                       ` J.P.
     [not found]                       ` <87leo8z79j.fsf@neverwas.me>
2022-11-19 14:48                         ` J.P.
     [not found]                         ` <87tu2vroeh.fsf@neverwas.me>
2022-11-20 14:29                           ` J.P.
     [not found]                           ` <87wn7pog1l.fsf@neverwas.me>
2022-11-21 15:09                             ` J.P.
     [not found]                             ` <87y1s4mjj6.fsf@neverwas.me>
2022-11-22 14:01                               ` J.P.
     [not found]                               ` <87r0xvks03.fsf@neverwas.me>
2022-11-24  2:49                                 ` Amin Bandali
     [not found]                                 ` <87r0xtnk24.fsf@gnu.org>
2022-11-25 14:43                                   ` J.P.
     [not found]                                   ` <87wn7jgkne.fsf@neverwas.me>
2022-11-28  0:08                                     ` J.P.
2022-11-29  5:19                                     ` Amin Bandali
     [not found]                                     ` <87iliyz6at.fsf@gnu.org>
2022-11-29 15:05                                       ` J.P.

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